Jungle

Hey peeps, I got these 2 supplements cheap off a private seller on ebay. Want to know if anybody knows anything about them?

Nutra-Coastal, Hdrol, 60 Tabs
polydhydrogenated, polyhydroxylated halomethetioallacholane 25mg

Diabolic Labs, Methyl Mag, 90 Tabs
2A, 17A Dimethyl-17A-Hydroxy-5A-Androstan-3-One 10mg

Thanks

Jungle

I take it nobody has???

Harry Sacks

You brought supps you know nothing about?

ano1987

smoke em

Jungle

Yep! Seems that way doesn't it??????...

Hence why I've put this post up

Jungle

LOL, this works???????

ano1987

well u obiously know there pro-hormones as uv'e posted i the prohormone section so...
there is a whole section on pro hormones read up, from what i gather there sh*te and bad lol

ano1987

yeh i smoke my test e,

Hobbit JT

The H-Drol is an imitation (beats laws) steroid, it is genuine LEGAL designer steroid. Check out Predatorsupplements or muscle talk for more information.

I wouldn't take them until you have properlly read up on cycles and steroids sides and pct

Jungle

I know they are both a PH, but that is as far as my knowledge goes in terms of the brand and ingredients. I've been on the website for both products but it is the usual marketing. Dry gains, mass, strength etc

Hobbit JT

Methyl Mag looks similar too IBEs Epidrol/RPNs Havoc

Hobbit JT

Got this of PredatorNutirion/Muscle Talk:

Its very good info: MUST READ!

Prohormones - A Comprehensive Guide




Technical Definition

Prohormones are compounds which are converted via an enzymatic process to anabolic hormones in the body. As such they will cause similar effects in the body to anabolic steroids, inducing rapid muscle and strength gains, but of a lesser magnitude than anabolic steroids, due to the rate limiting effect caused by the enzyme conversion. However, this technical definition is nowadays considered out of date due to the innovation displayed in the supplement industry since the introduction of the very first prohormone, androstenedione. Today the term prohormones is used to cover not just precursors to steroid hormones but also covers compounds which are active in their own right and which require no conversion to a different hormone to engender any anabolic effects. For the sake of simplicty, in this article the term 'prohormone' will cover all products which work via a hormonal mechanism to cause anabolic effects, and not just those which convert from one compound into another after ingestion.





First Base


Prohormones were introduced on to the supplement world in 1996 by reknowned US chemist Patrick Arnold who developed the supplement androstenedione and unleashed it on an unsuspecting public.


Androstenedione certainly created a buzz in the sports world and is heavily linked in the popular press with baseball greats such as Mark McGwire whose use of the supplement was brought to light as he chased the baseball home run record in 1998. In breaking the record that year McGwire brought notoriety both to that sport and captured the attention of law makers in the United States.


Androstenedione was quickly followed by a number of other supplements – androstenediol, norandrostenediol, 1-4-androstadienedione and 5 alpha androstenediol to name just a few. These all had different effects, some being converted to testosterone in the body, while others were converted in the body to anabolic hormones such as nandrolone, boldenone, and dihydrotestosterone (DHT). We still see precursors to some of these products on the bodybuilding market today, such as I Force Nutrition's BOLD 200 product which is a precursor to Boldenone which is the generic term for the steroid Equipoise.

After some time, Patrick Arnold's company Ergopharm introduced the prohormone 1-AD, which converted into a hormone called 1-testosterone. This was the first prohormone considered to be of comparable effectiveness to illegal steroids such as Winstrol or Primobolan. In fact at the time of its introduction much was made of the fact that it was qualitatively similar to the steroid Trenbolone Acetate.

With the introduction of 1-AD, prohormones had clearly progressed in leaps and bounds since the introduction of androstenedione (widely considered within bodybuilding to be pretty worthless by that time). With the introduction of 1-AD, the prohormone market changed dramatically. A number of supplement companies, aware that the process of enzymatic conversion meant that prohormones were weaker than taking an equivalent amount of the target hormone they converted into, decided to market products such as 1-testosterone (the hormone which 1-AD would convert to) and, eventually, the now notorious methyl-1-testosterone (M1T), which was a 17-alpha alkylated or methylated hormone. In simple terms, 17-Alpha Alkylation/Methylation meant that M1T was highly resistant to breakdown by the liver, making it the most powerful product on the market, causing rapid strength and muscle gains even for long-time steroid users, as well as causing a host of disastrous side effects such as high blood pressure, and dangerous elevation of liver enzymes.

The End of the Beginning

Many in the supplement industry, Arnold among them, argued that the proliferation of powerful products such as M1T would eventually result in negative publicity to attach itself to the supplement industry as a whole and considered it madness that such products had been introduced on to the supplement market. These doomsayers were proven right and eventually the US congress passed into law the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 which effectively classed all the prohormones then on the market as illegal drugs on a par with anabolic steroids. By early 2005 they had been removed from the market in the United States.

Prohormone Characteristics

A rundown of the actions of individual prohormone products follows so this section shall only cover actions attributable to all classes of prohormone products. This in itself could be an article in its own right so here is the shortened version.

Prohormones exert their effects through several different pathways, but the ones that are most important to people considering using them are their actions via their effects on the body's androgenic, estrogenic and progestogenic receptors. It is through these receptors that prohormone effects are largely mediated, with other pathways of secondary importance.


Prohormones, just like anabolic steroids, are androgen agonists meaning they work via their effect on the androgen receptor. A strong androgen receptor agonist will mean effects related to the male hormone testosterone will be particularly prominent – these include increased aggression, sex drive, alpha male type characteristics in general, as well as heightened risk of side effects related to high androgen levels such as an increased susceptibility to hair loss and acne, although these side effects are very much individual in nature and will depend on the person taking them. They tend to only be an issue for those already susceptible to these conditions.

Linked to these androgenic effects is the propensity for prohormones to induce sizeable increases in muscle strength, large muscle gains, and a hardening effect on the muscles, such that muscles feel denser and more solid. Prohoemones that do not convert to estrogen such as Epistane or RPN's Havoc tend to exhibit these types of muscle gains with no water retention.


Away from their effects on androgren receptors, prohormones can also cause effects via estrogen and progesterone receptors. These effects tend to be quite similar in nature – prohormones that convert to estrogen and progesterone have the baility to cause large increases in mass and strength although much of the mass is of a poor quality visually and such gains often disappear rapidly being associated with water retention more than anything else. Estrogenic side effects are feared by most bodybuilders and include increased water weight, increased susceptibility to fat gain in the presence of high estrogen and worst of all, from a cosmetic standpoint at least, the dreaded gynecomastia.

It should be stated that while there are some products which are almost exclusively androgenic in nature with little to no risk of estrogenic/progestogenic side effects (such as Epistane or Havoc), the reverse is not true, in that compounds with high affinity for estrogen and progesterone receptors will still have an impact on the androgen receptor. You will often hear of prohormones being called androgenic or estrogenic or even both, but it should be stated this is often based on their primary method of action and that all will have an androgenic effect at some level, as they all primarily work via their effect on the androgen receptor.


Separate from their effects via androgen, estrogen, and progesterone receptors, prohormones will also differ in their impact on other body systems. Typically, strong androgens are useful for promoting strength gains via the central nervous system (CNS) stimulation, independent of their anabolic or muscle building effects. A strong androgen would often be something similar in nature to Dihydrotestosterone. Furthermore, prohormones will promote enhanced red blood cell production which is why users of prohormones usually experience great pumps and vascularity. Generally speaking, liver toxicity is a concern only for methylated, oral compounds, which is most prohormones nowadays but even then, as the list below shows, they can differ by a wide degree in magnitude of effect.

Prohormones Today

Since the removal of the first generation of prohormones in 2005, various supplement companies have worked hard on creating products which can provide a sizeable anabolic effect while complying with the requirements of the 2004 law. One of the most important considerations was to ensure that not only did they manufacture a product that was effective and legal, but also safe, as the wave of methylated prohormones released in the wake of M1T were certainly of doubtful safety given their widely noted negative effects on a range of body tissues, most notably liver values.

As a result of the innovations in the industry since 2005, we now have a number of products on the market which have been around for some time and in favour with bodybuilders and athletes alike. To make things easy we will refer to the compounds by their brand names:

Halodrol- 50 (4-chloro-17a-methyl-1,4-diene-3,17 diol)

Halodrol-50 was introduced to the bodybuilding world by Gaspari Nutrition and is a prosteroid of Turinabol, the banned East German designer steroid. This means it converts to Turinabol once ingested. Although Halodrol is no longer available, there are generic equivalents today such as Competitive Edge Labs H-Drol or EST Hemadrol. The typical dose for products such as H-Drol is 50mg a day, which equates to one tablet daily.

Effects: Solid gains in muscle and strength, often taken while dieting to aid preservation of muscle mass.

Side effects: Considered stressful on the liver and can raise blood pressure somewhat in users.

Havoc/Epistane (2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol)

RPN's product Havoc and IBE's Epistane were introduced at practically the same time and considered interchangeable by many. However, it should be noted that even when two products are identical, users can experience different effects depending on the quality of the isomer, manufacturing process and so on.

With Havoc and Epistane they are chemically very slightly different 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol 2 (Havoc), and 2, 3a-epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol (Epistane). Dosages are usually in the 20-50mg range.

Effects: Good for promoting solid, lean muscle gains with a concomitant reduction in estrogen leading to a drier physique, and significant strength gains. This will contribute to the vascularity users typically report. Havoc and Epistane are also sometimes used purely to combat gynecomastia as they act in the body as an anti-estrogen, so that endogenous testosterone levels are less suppressed by this compound than other prohormones.

Side effects: Less hepatoxic and damaging to lipid levels than other orals but the usual androgenic side effects associated with prohormones remain a possibility.

Pheraplex (17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)

Pheraplex was a brand name of the supplement company Anabolic Xtreme (AX). This product is also sold by Competitive Edge Labs as P-Plex as well as Phera-Vol by EST. Typically dosed at 20-30mg a day.

Effects: Gains with this product tend to be of a 'wet' nature, in other words, you will see some weight gain due to water retention. Given this, P-Plex is often used to gain mass quickly for users.

Side effects: It is a risk for anyone with gynecomastia based on user feedback (making the use of an estrogen blocker such as Reversitol or Novedex XT mandatory), and is considered to be both hepatoxic and damaging to lipid levels.

Methoxy-TST (17b-methoxytrienosterone)

This product was brought to the market by Bioscience Technologies and is usually dosed at 6-12mg to see results.

Effects: Not a strong bulking product unless doses are pushed high despite its androgenic profile. In this respect it is not dissimilar to AAS such as Masteron and Proviron which are not efficient for bulking.

Side effects: Androgenic side effects such as hair loss are reported quite frequently by users if this product, and many users report a damaging effect on libido.

Ergomax LMG (17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane & 17-methyl-delta-3-etioallocholane)

Introduced by ALRI, this is another 'wet' prohormone dosed at 20-40mg usually.

Effects: This compound is quite similar to Pheraplex so is useful for someone wanting to gain mass quickly even if the visual appearance of this will not be the best.

Side effects: Can cause gynecomastia making use of an estrogen blocker a wise option, and has a detrimental effect on liver and lipid values, meaning cycles should be kept short.

M-1,4ADD (17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3,17diol)

M-1,4ADD has recently been reintroduced by Competitive Edge Labs among others and is from the old school of prohormones – a classic wet bulker which converts after ingestion into Methandrostenolone, better known as Dianabol.

Effects: This is a good choice for rapid mass and strength gains but the gains will tend to cause smoothness due to the water retention it causes.

Side effects: This compound can promote both androgenic and estrogenic side effects so anyone with a predisposition to hair loss or gynecomastia should probably avoid this. If taking this, an estrogen blocker such as Reversitol or Inhibit-E is a smart move.

11-Oxo (andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione)

11-Oxo was introduced by Ergopharm, whose owner Patrick Arnold first brought prohormones to the bodybuilding world. 11-Oxo is well regarded for its ability to lower cortisol levels. It is dosed at between 300-600mg a day with 450mg typical.

Effects: Used mainly as a recomposition agent and to promote fat loss, 11-OXO is also a good choice for individuals looking to stack one prohormone with another.

Side effects: Although it can cause the same side effects as other prohormones, it is considered very mild in this regard so a good choice for people looking to diet with minimal side effects.

Propadrol (12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene)

This was developed by EST Nutrition and is usually dosed at 90mg a day.

Effects: Noted to be good for reducing body fat and for promoting rapid strength and muscle gains.

Side effects: Relatively mild with this compound, although those who worry about gyno or androgenic side effects should exercise caution. Tends to be expensive!

Methoxy-TRN (17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone)

ALRI introduced this compound and it is dosed at 3-6mg by most users.

Effects: Reviews are mixed on this product but those who do like it often claim very good muscle and strength gains allied to a reduction in body fat.

Side effects: Being both quite androgenic and estrogenic it should be used with caution and remedies to combat hair loss and gyno (Reversitol) are worth considering.

Max LMG (13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one)

Yet another product by ALRI. This one is usually dosed at around 100mg a day.

Effects: Max LMG can cause rapid gains in bulk of a wet nature due to its progestogenic nature. Great for those needing fast weight gain and unconcerned about looking smooth or fat.

Side effects: One to avoid for anyone worried about a quality looking physique, gynecomastia, or hair loss. This is also very expensive! Reversitol is definitelty a smart move to combat estrogenic effects if using Max LMG.

3-AD (2-androstenol acetate)

Anabolic Xtreme formulated this product and brought it on to the bodybuilding market. Usually dosed at around 4-6 capsules a day, 3-AD contains various other nutrients, but the active prohormone is 2-androstenol acetate.

Effects: Effective overall mass gainer. Gains are a little wet, but not too bad for those worried about estrogen.

Side effects: It is not the worst, but estrogenic and androgenic side effects remain a possibility.

Superdrol (Methasteron)

Superdrol was introduced by Designer Supplements, the old name for Driven Sports, and earned a reputation as a very powerful product. Although it is no longer made by Driven Sports, Competitive Edge Labs currently produce a clone called M-Drol.



Effects: Good lean mass gainer with effective repartitioning effects.



Side Effects: Notably hepatoxic, and androgenic. Can aggravate hairloss if prone to male pattern baldness. Highly recommended to stack this product with a product from our Liver Support category to help support healthy liver function.



Dymethazine - (2,17-dimethyl-5-androstan-17-ol-3,3'-azine)

Dymethazine, also known as Dimethazine, is a DHT derived compound with an interesting chemical structure. It is essentially a double bonded Superdrol, with an Azine bridge. A relatively recent introduction to the prohormone world by I Force Nutrition, Dymethazine is a product that has attracted a great deal of interest given its unique chemical structure.

Effects: Users of this compound are reporting results that are qualitatively similar to dry, non-aromatizing products such as Epistane. Dymethazine users have typically reported significant muscle and strength gains.

Side Effects: Although not having any estrogenic action, Dymethazine use poses the same issue of liver toxicity and androgenic effects as other prohormones.


The One – (17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine)

The One was developed by Applied Nutriceuticals and is a prohormone of Dihydrotestosterone.

Effects – Being a prohormone to DHT, The One can be expected to be notably androgenic, resulting in dry, muscle gains with an absence of water retention and solid gains in strength.

Side Effects – Being that it converts into DHT, The One can be expected to be tough on the hairline as DHT is the hormone most responsible for hair loss. As it does not convert to estrogen or progesterone, side effects related to those should not be an issue. Liver toxicity would remain a concern though and it would be a good idea to take this product with something to support health liver function.

What is best for me?

So here we come to the part where readers ask 'which is the best prohormone to take and when?' It is not possible, nor advisable, to offer specific advice on such a subject. People need to consider their own objectives and risk factors before taking any prohormone. Generally speaking, all we can say is that it is advisable to start with a mild steroid first and keep doses low, typically for 3-4 weeks. For a novice this will still lead to excellent gains. It is critical in our opinion, that an estrogen blocking product should be held ready at the start of a prohormone cycle. Users unworried about estrogen can take it for 3-4 weeks after the end of their cycle. Those concerned about estrogen, should employ it both during and after. In this respect, Havoc and Epistane make good choices as they negate the need for an anti-estrogen during the cycle, due to the fact they are inherently anti-estrogenic. Still, even with them, an estrogen blocker should be applied after all cycles with prohormones.

Dietary and Supplement Advice

Assuming a good clean diet is eaten, normally the only advice we would recommend is to increase protein intake to at least 2g of protein per pound of bodyweight. So for a 200lb individual, 400g of protein a day. Given the fact prohormones are all oral in nature, we recommend increasing water intake also and employing the use of a liver protectant such as silymarin and N-acetyl cysteine, along with fish oil dosed at 6g a day. Those who are particularly anal may want to consider taking their prohormones with grapefruit juice. In theory, this will help increase their gains via inhibition of enzymes that break down drugs leading to enhanced absorption.

Training Advice

Given the fact you are taking a powerful prohormone which will rapidly boost muscle mass, training volume should be increased but we recommend limiting the increase in weights. Instead, after your cycle has concluded, given the catabolic environment present post cycle, it is an excellent time to reduce volume and increase the weight which will help preserve your muscle and strength gains whilst keeping cortisol (a hormone indicated in the breaking down of muscle) levels low. A good rule of thumb is to double your normal training volume on cycle and then reducing it to a half of your normal training volume in the first few weeks post cycle while your body gets back to a homeostatic state (normal hormonal environment). So, if you do 10 sets a session normally, go to 20 on prohormones, and then reduce to 5 until your post cycle estrogen blocker has finished its job.

Conclusion

Prohormones are powerful compounds with the ability to impart significant gains in muscle and strength mass. We hope this article has provided some useful information for you to help understand their benefits, applications and how to structure their use within your overall training and dietary plan.

Hobbit JT

Here is some PCT (post cycle therapy) information: Same source.
This is orientated around legal sources/over the counter steroids.

Post Cycle Treatment – Restoring body function after the use of Prohormones

Introduction


The proliferation in the use of prohormones in the bodybuilding world has meant that trainees are able to acquire levels of muscularity and strength, previously out of the reach of many. Supplements such as Havoc, Epistane, M-drol, and H-drol, have allowed even those with relatively deficient training and nutritional programs to make rapid gains. However, there has not been a concomitant awareness of the necessity to restore a homeostatic environment in the body, such that while many make rapid progress while using prohormones, many users experience a crash familiar to steroid users who use powerful ergogenics without the ancillary products needed to protect their gains.

This article will cover strategies aimed at restoring normal hormonal function via the use of supplements, with the aim of allowing trainees to maintain a greater proportion of the gains elicited by the use of prohormones.



What happens when you take a prohormones?


Without going into too much detail, prohormone use will cause the body to recognise that an exogenous substance has been introduced into the body. With that substance being an androgenic hormone, a process called negative feedback takes place whereby the body will reduce its own production of testosterone, the naturally occurring androgen made in the body. This is to counteract the influence of the exogenous hormone that has been introduced.

While the user is on his prohormones cycle he will not be too alarmed in most cases by the fall in his own natural testosterone levels because he is taking a substance which is working via similar mechanisms, to provide many of the anabolic functions of testosterone such as increased muscle mass and strength. Androgenic functions of testosterone, related to characteristics we consider as being associated with males such as aggression, and sex drive, can either be magnified by the use of prohormones, if the substance taken has these characteristics, or else, stay stable or possibly even fall. It is quite common for substances which are very “dry”, that is, lower estrogen in the body, to cause a reduction in sex drive whereas those compounds which allow for some estrogen formation, tend to increase the prevalence of androgenic traits such as sex drive, and aggression.

Regardless of whether the user takes something that increases androgenic characteristics or not, ALL users of prohormones will expect to increase muscle mass via the anabolic characteristics of these compounds.

So, towards the end of a typical 4-6 cycle what do we have?

A user will have gained considerable muscle and strength via the anabolic actions of these products while his male traits such as sex drive, and aggression will have varied depending on the nature of the supplement taken. In most cases, the user will have congratulated himself that he has done very well from the cycle, assuming adequate nutrition and training. So what happens next?

Ending a Prohormone cycle


This is where some users come unstuck. Inexperienced trainees tend to run a cycle of a powerful supplement like Epistane or Havoc, which will cause a great increase in muscle mass and strength, but not take into account what happens next....

Once the cycle ends you may think your body will carry on like it was before you took the hormonal product. You may even be delusional enough to think the gains made while “on” were all down to you, but you would be very wrong indeed.

After a cycle is discontinued, the exogenous substance (the prohormones used) rapidly leave the body, usually in 24-48 hrs at the most. At this point, you can no longer rely on them for either anabolic or androgenic effects. So this is where your body’s own testosterone production picks up the slack right?

Wrong. Remember, during a cycle your body will gradually shut down production of its testosterone to try to maintain what it considers a normal hormonal milieu. The stronger the prohormone taken and the longer you remained on, the greater the degree to which normal testosterone levels will have been shut down. So when you come off the cycle your testosterone levels are very low. At the same time, estrogen levels tend to rise in response to low testosterone, so post cycle you are not in a very favourable place for muscle building and strength. Instead you are well placed to lose size, strength, gain fat, and, horror of horrors, if you do not take steps to counteract it, the estrogen could even cause you to gain man boobs!!

That’s not all either. During a cycle, levels of the catabolic hormone cortisol are reduced, but once the cycle ends, levels of cortisol slowly rise, usually after about a week or so. This cortisol rise will cause you to lose muscle and strength very quickly, as well as cause you to gain bodyfat.

Clearly then, our novice user who failed to consider what would happen once he ended his cycle is in a very bad position of having low testosterone, high estrogen, and high cortisol levels. This is some place you definitely don’t want to be in for long, but without the use of ancillary supplements it is something from which the body will only recover very slowly, at which point you may have lost all your gains from your prohormone cycle. What can we do to accelerate recovery then?

Supplements to help recovery post-cycle


Fortunately, we have some methods by which we can restore your body’s pre-cycle environment, while protecting your gains while “on”. Generally speaking recovery post cycle needs to consider the following factors:

1. Testosterone Recovery

2. Estrogen Inhibition

3. Reducing Cortisol

4. Increasing Libido

5. Promoting strength

6. Restoring health

7. Minimising fat gain

Sometimes trainees may focus on only one or two of these methods, but a comprehensive approach will lead to far superior results than a narrowly focused approach. We will go through each in turn and explore possible options in each.

Testosterone Recovery


This is the most important part in most peoples’ eyes and the one that most people will usually make some effort in addressing. Steroid users will usually combine HCG/HMG with some type of anti estrogen to promote testosterone recovery. Most supplement products will attempt to work in a similar way to this approach, albeit without the direct effect that HCG or HMG can bring to the table.

A slew of products/ingredients are promoted to boost testosterone levels. There are far too many to mention but include Tribulus Terrestris, Divanil, Icariin, Indole-3-Carbinol, Zinc, Resveratrol, Vitex Agnus Castus, Avena Sativa and many, many more. Some seem more useful than others, but there is a relative paucity of data beyond anecdotal evidence, that prevents us from making definitive statements as to which to recommend. However, based on user feedback, the following are all highly regarded:

Activate Xtreme – Driven Sports

Vitrix – Nutrex Research

Max Out - I Force Nutrition






Estrogen Inhibition


Related to testosterone recovery, we must also look to drive down estrogen levels at the conclusion of our prohormone cycle. The sooner this is done the faster we get our testosterone levels back to normal, and the sooner sex drive rebounds, as well as limiting the potential for any unwanted estrogenic effects.

A number of products have been specifically designed for the purpose of reducing estrogen. Favoured ingredients include 6, 17 Keto-Etiocholeva-3-Ol Tetrahydropyranol, 4-Etioallocholen-3,6, 17-Trione, and Chrysin. Some of the more popular and well reviewed products include:

Reversitol – I Force Nutrition


Formex – IBE

Arom–X – Adanced Muscle Sciences



Reducing Cortisol


Failing to address rising cortisol levels post cycle can crucify training gains as well as help cause the fat gain typically seen post-cycle. The use of ingredients such as 7-OH, Phosphatidylserine, 5-AT, Vitamin C and Glutamine are typically used to address the problem of high cortisol. Popular products include:

Lean Xtreme – Driven Sports

Lean FX - Anabolic Xtreme


Increasing Libido


Increasing libido or sex drive may at first glance be considered more of a means to make yourself feel psychologically better post cycle. While there is an element of this, an increased libido is a sign that the body is working optimally and is a signal that a normal hormonal environment is likely to have been attained. Ingredients such as Divanil, DMA, Horny Goat Weed, and Maca are typically used. Popular products include:

Activate Xtreme – Driven Sports

Ejaculoid – Goliath Labs



Promoting Strength


A big factor in keeping muscle gains is to try your best to keep your weights up post-cycle, or, if at all possible, even try to increase your strength post-cycle, as strength is a powerful signal to the body telling it to maintain muscle mass. A variety of approaches can be used to improve strength either through the use of ergogenics compounds such as creatine, beta-alanine, or the use of stimulants to increase strength. If using stimulants, it is advised to not use them while using prohormones as they are best used they have not been used for some time.

Popular products to enhance strength naturally include:

Armageddon – Star Chem Labs

Superpump 250 – Gaspari Nutrition

Adrenalean – Driven Sports

Pro-Gakic – CNP Professional



Restoring Health


This should be an obvious one really but it is something that too many trainees omit. During a prohormones cycle you will place extra strain on your body systems so it is important to restore optimal health as rapidly as possible. Apart from the obvious, this will help your body to help retain muscle gains since a healthy body is one which will recover sooner. A host of ingredients such as minerals/vitamins, fish oils, adaptogens such as Ginseng and Rhodiola Rosea, liver support substances such as N-Acetyl Cysteine and Milk Thistle can be employed to restore health. Popular products include:

Cycle Assist – Competitive Edge Labs

Fish Oils – Various Generic Manufacturers

Noxidant – Recomp Performance Nutrition



Minimsing Fat Gain


Nobody wants to gain loads of muscle only to get fat after their prohormone cycle is over. At the same time it is not advised to rely too much on stimulants to prevent fat gain as we could end up eating too little, or, by releasing too many catecholamines (adrenealine like hormones), actually cause increased stress levels which is the last thing we want post cycle. Besides, stimulants should be used sparingly to maintain/increase strength before workouts not used every day. Remember, we are trying to limit fat gain not go on a diet or starve ourselves (which will rapidly lead us to lose all our muscle gains). It is better to employ ingredients which can limit fat gain, causing some fat loss without any of the problems of overuse of stimulants. TTA based products, Forskolin, 7-OH, and fish oils are popular choices to minimise fat gain, as well as the use of a high protein diet. Recommended products include:

Damage Control Protocol – Recomp Performance Nutrition

Lean Xtreme – Driven Sports

Sesathin – Avant Labs

Activate Xtreme – Driven Sports



Conclusion


We hope this article has helped people to understand that through proper planning and supplementation, the risks of prohormones use can be mediated via the intelligent use of appropriate ancillary supplements, whose use can help users maintain the gains made using prohormones, while accelerating recovery of optimal body function.

Jungle

I don't intend on taking them, unless I get any sound infomation on the actual product, as I am somewhat knowledgeable on other supps.

The PH stickies are a good read, nice and informative.
Only some of the ingredients are mentioned in the PH section.

Jungle

Thanks for the posts Hobbit