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    First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    Hi,

    I plan to do a IBE Epistane cycle soon, after good experiences with USN 17-Testo Methox supplement.

    I've done a lot of research (as I was actually planning to do the more 'heavy' stuff, but decided to stick to pro hormones), but still have some questions which I hope somebody can help me with.

    I want to do the pulse cycle as recommended by Dr. D. Main reason is because this does not require a PCT he stated. Is this true?? (I also don't want to over do it with full cycles because of my fear of hair shredding....and I don't trust propecia as a remedy)
    Or do I still need a Nolva or Clomid afterwards?

    I would also like to get more defined, and I am doubting between Phedra-Cut XT or IBE x-Lean. They do not have the same effect (the first is more speedy and the second a cortisol blocker). Which is best and how can I best combine them with my pulse cycle?

    And if I use Epistane, do I need milk thistle to protect my liver?

    Last question, what does ED or OED mean?

    Thanks!

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    Re: First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh08 View Post
    Hi,

    I plan to do a IBE Epistane cycle soon, after good experiences with USN 17-Testo Methox supplement.

    I've done a lot of research (as I was actually planning to do the more 'heavy' stuff, but decided to stick to pro hormones), but still have some questions which I hope somebody can help me with.

    I want to do the pulse cycle as recommended by Dr. D. Main reason is because this does not require a PCT he stated. Is this true?? (I also don't want to over do it with full cycles because of my fear of hair shredding....and I don't trust propecia as a remedy)
    Or do I still need a Nolva or Clomid afterwards?

    90% of the time no PCT is needed but do you want to run the risk? Get some clomid just in case.

    I would also like to get more defined, and I am doubting between Phedra-Cut XT or IBE x-Lean. They do not have the same effect (the first is more speedy and the second a cortisol blocker). Which is best and how can I best combine them with my pulse cycle?

    If you insist on me picking out of those two then go for the cortisol blocker and a good diet over adrenal stimulats every time.

    And if I use Epistane, do I need milk thistle to protect my liver?

    On a pulse not really but do get your liver checked by the doctor before you start, this is free so do it!

    Last question, what does ED or OED mean?

    Every day, OED are you sure its not EOD?

    Thanks!
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    Re: First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    Thanks,

    I'll get some Clomid. Is this preferable over Nolva? I assume I need a light dose of Nolva after a pulse cycle instead of a full 4 week dose.

    I'll check out the cortisol blocker. Does that also work for losing fat, or just for not getting fatter? My diet is already quite proper with lots of fresh vegs, chicken and fish. But you know, it can always be a bit more defined

    I've read that if you normally take the cortisol blocker after an full epistane cycle (4weeks, every day) and not during as Epistane already blocks cortisol. But I pulse my cycle (3x a week only on training days), I assume I can take the X-Lean on the 'off-days' to keep the blocking effect going?

    By the way, it did mean EOD, which I now guess means 'every other day'. Thanks!

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    Re: First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh08 View Post
    Thanks,

    I'll get some Clomid. Is this preferable over Nolva? I assume I need a light dose of Nolva after a pulse cycle instead of a full 4 week dose.

    I'll check out the cortisol blocker. Does that also work for losing fat, or just for not getting fatter? My diet is already quite proper with lots of fresh vegs, chicken and fish. But you know, it can always be a bit more defined

    I've read that if you normally take the cortisol blocker after an full epistane cycle (4weeks, every day) and not during as Epistane already blocks cortisol. But I pulse my cycle (3x a week only on training days), I assume I can take the X-Lean on the 'off-days' to keep the blocking effect going?

    By the way, it did mean EOD, which I now guess means 'every other day'. Thanks!
    spot on


    When you diet down your body produces more cortisol which can break down muscle tissue, yes you could use it on your off days or just run the Epi and lower your calories bellow maintance and keep a tight check on the quality and type of foods you eat. I prefer cissus (50% extract) as a cortisol blocker anyway and forskolin and green tea (along with fish oils as part of the diet) as fat burners.

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    Re: First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    Okay, I try the epi on its own for now, as I haven't found good evidence that the cortisol blocker will get rid of the last layer of fat... Does it really get rid of fat or does it mainly stop muscles from deteriorating?

    My friend, with who I am doing the same epi cycle, is going to try the Xedra-cut. I'll see what he thinks of it.

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    Re: First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    Progress so far:

    I am now on 40 mg (end of week 1 of my pulse cycle), but strangely enough both mine and my friend's libido is completely gone! I thought it would actually increase, as it did when I did a USN 17-Testo cycle.

    Anybody experienced this before???

    (I am combining it with USN Xedra-cut, but I can't see how that effects my libido...)

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    Re: First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    mate, epistane converts to DHT. i hope you knew this, so it may accelerate MPB if you pulse or use it properly.

    if ur worried about hair loss, then think about prim/deca/equipoise/anavar and those sorts of gears.

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    Re: First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh08 View Post
    (I am combining it with USN Xedra-cut, but I can't see how that effects my libido...)
    Well, it does effect I am off the stimulant for 4 days now and my libido is back... Maybe the increase in blood pressure?

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    Re: First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by drhighintensity View Post
    mate, epistane converts to DHT. i hope you knew this, so it may accelerate MPB if you pulse or use it properly.

    if ur worried about hair loss, then think about prim/deca/equipoise/anavar and those sorts of gears.
    I know, I know, it's a calculated risk. With pulsing it should be less and I try to keep it in balance with Saw Palmetto and my friend with Finistride. I've also tried the finistride, but had some side effects....

    I haven't chosen the other ones, because the Epistane I could just by OTC from IBE. Big advance for a beginner ...

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    Re: First Epistane cycle - is this a good plan?

    I tried episane once. Lost all libido by 2nd week and got gyno!!!! never again.

 

 

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