keeping all gains from epistane. - Page 2 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Wee G · 05-05-2008, 10:07 PM

...and that's what's wrong with the world.

18 years old?

FFS 20-30kg gain on what lift / lifts?

At what BW?

Training is....?

Strength gains last 6 months?

Last year? Two years ? (Assuming you have even trained for a year consistently....)

Gain 5lb LBM pcm natural is 60lbs in a year, if this is truly your current rate of CONSISTENT gain then you are a mutant.

If on the other hand you started training less than 6 months ago and are actually gain 2-3 of LBM and 2-3 fat pcm then wtf are you thinking of doing a course for? To "score" at University? To be stronger for sport? Better hope it's a non tested non WADA affiliated sport then !!!

Anyway, rant over. You are 18, and apparently gaining a huge amount of muscle drug free...just wait.

NeilpWest · 05-05-2008, 10:09 PM

agree with the above well said wee G

drhighintensity · 05-05-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wee G

...and that's what's wrong with the world.

all sorts of poverty.

18 years old?

yes

FFS 20-30kg gain on what lift / lifts?

every single lift, namely the compounds.

Training is....?

HIT. i train as if my life depends on it.

Strength gains last 6 months?

my gains NATURALLY and going up 2.5kg in POWER each week.

i.e shoulder press 90kg for 3 this week. next week is 92.5kg for 3.

Last year? Two years ? (Assuming you have even trained for a year consistently....)

no. ive trained for 7 months.

Gain 5lb LBM pcm natural is 60lbs in a year, if this is truly your current rate of CONSISTENT gain then you are a mutant.

its been 22.5lbs in the last 6 months.
in april it was a 5lbs increase, which is 22.5+5 my total gains
god knows if i am mutant, but i eat a **** load of carbs, drink **** loads of water, and my calorie surplus is about 500 daily.

If on the other hand you started training less than 6 months ago and are actually gain 2-3 of LBM and 2-3 fat pcm then wtf are you thinking of doing a course for? To "score" at University? To be stronger for sport? Better hope it's a non tested non WADA affiliated sport then !!!

a course? to speed **** up.
i score anyway.
i do play cricket at county level and it would be nice to boost my speed by 5mph-10mph by taking a dam chemical.
its non tested

!!!
an 18 year old bowling at 90mph is ****ing JESUS CHRIST!!

Anyway, rant over. You are 18, and apparently gaining a huge amount of muscle drug free...just wait.

im researching big time on whether its cool for me at 18. people in USA do it in a much more foolhardy way compared to me, i reckon i'll be fine with my genetics(being arrogant again)

Wee G · 05-05-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by drhighintensity

in response to all the crappy gains you lot are making.

i have read and researched, and it all depends on how many of these 'receptor' sites you have which explains how much you gain, the gear SPEEDS these receptors up. you cannot change the amount, thats why some gain and some dont.
maybe i have more receptors?

i hope so.

"Speeds receptors up" ???? WTF ? Honestly, do you have any idea how hormones actually work? Do you understand the concepts of up and down regulation of receptors? Differing drugs and their different receptor affinities? SHBG and other hormones that bind sex hormones or block receptor sites?

Or did you read on a site that "the gear speeds these receptors up" and are now spreading it as gospel, as an 18 yr old natural????

Sorry kid but your attitude sucks, your disrespectful tone sucks and your knowledge is limited. do us a favour and please stay away from steroids for a well at least.

YetiMan · 05-05-2008, 10:21 PM

Its a marathon not a sprint, take your time. If you are gaining what you are gaining, then you have amazing genetics.

drhighintensity · 05-05-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Wee G

"Speeds receptors up" ???? WTF ? Honestly, do you have any idea how hormones actually work? Do you understand the concepts of up and down regulation of receptors? Differing drugs and their different receptor affinities? SHBG and other hormones that bind sex hormones or block receptor sites?

Or did you read on a site that "the gear speeds these receptors up" and are now spreading it as gospel, as an 18 yr old natural????

Sorry kid but your attitude sucks, your disrespectful tone sucks and your knowledge is limited. do us a favour and please stay away from steroids for a well at least.

well, thats a 'laymans' way of explaining things.
no. i read all this in a very expensive book.
i do read things on sites, but i dont take them in as much.
im not spreading it as gospel..

why are you having a go at me. stop.

Wee G · 05-05-2008, 10:26 PM

What did you start out shoulder pressing? Must have 20kg x 3 or your math is letting you down mate.

Also, Cricket IS subject to drug testing by UK Sport. Great start to your county career, very ethical stance you've chosen there.

"Hi, I'm 18 and really want to be a drugs cheat in time for going to Uni...can you help?"

Re your comment regarding others doing much more a the same age, it is irrelevant - the actions of others don't effect the morality of your choices at all.

I'm out now, I've said my piece and will leave it at that. I'm not "having a go" at you. I'm pointing out that in my opinion the course of action you are proposing is foolish.

**Pscarb** · 05-05-2008, 10:39 PM

Gav is not having a go at you what he is saying is the truth and believe me he knows about strength....

basicly if you need to use any steroid after 7months training you have not got good genetics this is fact as those with good genetics do not take steroids....

the gains you are aiming for in such a short space of time is impossible to acheive why will you not believe this many of us have been in this game for many years and know what it takes....

you keep on saying about all the research you are doing and the reading of books yet you still dont have a grasp on PCT why is that??

TH&S · 05-05-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by drhighintensity

i want to use epistane in particular
because i want a 20-30kg strenght increase in 1 month.
i want to gain 12lb's in one month LEAN

i actually went up 5lbs LEAN last month and i measured this with a 2nd opinion.

on top of that, im a naive basterd as stated and believe at 18 this wont affect me at all because of my great genetics., yet i'm still researching and researching as instructed.. its costing me dear money.

i can train naturally all my life and gain and gain but im going to uni soon and i want to speed things up

!

in response to all the crappy gains you lot are making.

i have read and researched, and it all depends on how many of these 'receptor' sites you have which explains how much you gain, the gear SPEEDS these receptors up. you cannot change the amount, thats why some gain and some dont.
maybe i have more receptors?

i hope so.

Why question to you is why you beleive you can gain 12lbs of muscle in 4 weeks. Sorry you answered that when you said you were Naive...

Instead of provocing an argument with Gavin (WeeG) why not listen to what the man has to say and perhaps learn something from him...?

At best you may gain 4lbs of muscle on a 4 week course - note these would not be linear gains. Anything else will be Glycogen supercompensation, water retention and a possible increase in Hematocrit.

I still continually fail to see why people beleive the 14lbs they gained on a 12 week cycle they beleive to be muscle, and wonder why they only keep ~50% to ~70% of the weight gain.:crazy:

DrHIT since you lasted posted in January about your expertise based on your newbie gains you don't appear to have done much training. You had 6months training under your belt in January, and 7months training under your belt now it is May.... Curious non...?

drhighintensity · 05-05-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pscarb

Gav is not having a go at you what he is saying is the truth and believe me he knows about strength....

ok

basicly if you need to use any steroid after 7months training you have not got good genetics this is fact as those with good genetics do not take steroids....

have not got good genetics?
never heard of anyone gaining 10-12lbs lean a month with good genetics.

the gains you are aiming for in such a short space of time is impossible to acheive why will you not believe this many of us have been in this game for many years and know what it takes....

i want to do a cycle with epistane that will get me 10-12lbs. if i can do that im happy, and if my subsequent gains after that are 2lbs monthly, im happy.

you keep on saying about all the research you are doing and the reading of books yet you still dont have a grasp on PCT why is that??

i do have a firm grasp, believe me in this. theres dam near f all out there to help me decide properly, everything is contradictory.

one place says do NOLVA only and it will bring your HPTA back into gear.
another says do CLOMID only as it will kickstart your HPTA better than NOLVA.
another says NOLVA through clinical trials is better at improving pituary sensitivity and kickstarts your HPTA better than NOLVA
my cousin is saying to me CLOMID is tablet HCG, whilst an article of williams leeewlin says NOLVA is much better compound for PCT than CLOMID and has better 'HCG' factors.
Other people i know are saying dont even bother with PCT.
on some forums i've read to take HCG for epistane
The owner of extremesupplements is telling me to do the following - nolva PCT, x-lean 3 weeks, cissus drol 6 weeks.
a freind of mine with 10 years bodybuilding exp and with gear said to me, since your 18, you've been in puberty for 5 years, 1 month wont hurt you and your test levels will go back up anyway. its homeostatis.
countless number of books i've read say use 20mg nolva everyday side by side with said compound.
a member here says im going to get gyno because my test levels are already highest at 18(they're bloody well not, they are highest at 21 and i've checked this in science books) and thus my estrogen will be high and thus ill get gynoeven if the bloody compound has a serm in it.
i've read 10-20mg of estradiol will remove near to all ESTROGEN in ones body, dispelling the idea of using an extra serm after and before.
i've been told to do CLOMID and NOLVA together to 'defend' myself and protect myself
some science sources state that clomid and nolva work against each other, decreasing and increasing pituary sensitivity.
on top of this, theres loads of you telling me not to even bother.

heres the mick hart section:
he said to me use hcg 1x a week for 3 weeks after cycle and take nolva.
in his books it doesnt even mention PCT - this was when i rang him.
his books, not informative at all.

he told me to not even bother using these free forums, as everyone talks ****, and the majority of information in most cases is utter bollocks. from personal experience with forums, i know this is true for natural bodybuilding per se. this rings true for muscletalk, myprotein and bodybuilding.com

maybe you see my problems with PCT?
this is what i have to work out:

1. how the hell do i PCT this properly bringing my dam balls online as quick as possible and my normal test levels and what not.
2. how to keep ALL if not 90%+ gains from doing this dam cycle within my PCT protocol.

too bad i cant work any of that crap out with the following bull**** contradictory advice.

my answers to 1 and 2 are the following.
1. just use bloody nolva.
2. nolva will take care of it.

however, i've yet to learn more and im learning day by day.

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What did you start out shoulder pressing? Must have 20kg x 3 or your math is letting you down mate.

no, i remember doing 40 x 8.
im a dam cricketer, i've been training my shoulders since i was 13.

Also, Cricket IS subject to drug testing by UK Sport. Great start to your county career, very ethical stance you've chosen there.

i play for my county, i've never been tested once. even so, i've read things on passing the tests.
lol please dont lecture me on ethics.

"Hi, I'm 18 and really want to be a drugs cheat in time for going to Uni...can you help?"

i've found out everything myself, with help off no-one on a forum.
i dont know who im talking to on this forum, you could be 10 years old for all i know.

Re your comment regarding others doing much more a the same age, it is irrelevant - the actions of others don't effect the morality of your choices at all.

i wont comment on that.

I'm out now, I've said my piece and will leave it at that. I'm not "having a go" at you. I'm pointing out that in my opinion the course of action you are proposing is foolish.

no. as long as everything i do is calculated i'll be fine. too bad i cant calculate it eh?

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Why question to you is why you beleive you can gain 12lbs of muscle in 4 weeks. Sorry you answered that when you said you were Naive...

its been done before on epi.

Instead of provocing an argument with Gavin (WeeG) why not listen to what the man has to say and perhaps learn something from him...?

"Anyway, rant over." - he had a go at me first. please read. what the man has to say? hes talking ****, theres nothing constructive. if im going ahead with this, he should advise me BEST as to HOW to go about it, yet i doubt he can since hes lecturing me on ethics of steriod use and labelling it cheating. tell him hes on a forum of which people use steriods.

At best you may gain 4lbs of muscle on a 4 week course - note these would not be linear gains. Anything else will be Glycogen supercompensation, water retention and a possible increase in Hematocrit.

thats crap. i've read otherwise elsewhere.

I still continually fail to see why people beleive the 14lbs they gained on a 12 week cycle they beleive to be muscle, and wonder why they only keep ~50% to ~70% of the weight gain.:crazy:

in all of what i wanted to gain, im talking in lean muscle mass.

DrHIT since you lasted posted in January about your expertise based on your newbie gains you don't appear to have done much training. You had 6months training under your belt in January, and 7months training under your belt now it is May.... Curious non...?

yeh very curouis seeing as my freind made the account, and decides to post bull**** to **** people off on forums. im not going to bother to make another account purely for the sake of myself.

curoius non?

now it seems you are having a go at me. in normal circumstance its better to just answer the dam question, or just not bother at all. thats common sense, of which an 18 year old is teaching you.
why did you bother wasting your time? that extra 5 minutes you spent writing all that could have been attributed in doing something constructive.

TH&S · 05-05-2008, 11:47 PM

You sir, are a minge.

In addition you have been reported for trolling and a ban requested. Two people using the same account is against the rules amigo.

It's clearly obvious you knowledge of steroids, endocronology, and human physiology are lacking.

drhighintensity · 05-05-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TH&S

You sir, are a minge.

In addition you have been reported for trolling and a ban requested. Two people using the same account is against the rules amigo.

It's clearly obvious you knowledge of steroids, endocronology, and human physiology are lacking.

No Sir. You are a **** that is ego-centrical mainly beacuse of your high postcount, but that, Sir, does not make you any more knowledgeable than I. Nonetheless, you've proven that.

Lol I was just about to pm PSCARB to ban me, this is the 4th forum I'll be banned from, the reason is primarily because I never agree with any of your sentiments and/or psuedo-science.

So what if its against the rules? Its not causing mischief, and its not at consecutive times.

No, I am not lacking. I've read more steriod, hormone, biological related literature than this entire board. You dont know what the **** physiology is.

Please dont try to act education, it amplifys' how stupid you actually are.

Now ban me.

**hackskii** · 06-05-2008, 01:38 AM

Bump for proper read as I dont have the time to respond right now.......

Lost Soul · 06-05-2008, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

Bump for proper read as I dont have the time to respond right now.......

Scott, Its not worth trying to help my friend, its a prime example of a skinny teen who seems to think they know it all and has an answer for everything, which is usually very wrong

I like helping people but threads like this which stink of keyboard hero/teen drug abuse get me down

Wee G · 06-05-2008, 12:47 PM

"i've found out everything myself, with help off no-one on a forum.
i dont know who im talking to on this forum, you could be 10 years old for all i know."

Sorry. Should have introduced myself. My name is Gavin Laird. I have been a professional strength and conditioning coach for over a decade. I have written countless published articles etc and a book covering training for hypertrophy. I have owned and operated a succesfull specialist S and C gym, consulted with and coached in person regional, national and world champions in several sports and have seen countless keyboard warriors and know-it-alls come and go in my time. It is evident that you will listen to only people who say what you want to hear, so my suggestion is to go and find someone who will do exactly that. Good day.