geezore

Hello everyone. I am a newbie here and hope not to post too many silly questions!
I have done a lot of reading on 1-testosterone and 4-androstenediol.
Are these pro-hormones illegal in the UK? I want to use them but don't want to break the law.

Any recommendations on where to buy the stuff. I am very worried about not getting ripped off with fake gear. Especially over the internet.
Any advice very welcome.

G

Lost Soul

welcome

www.musclefinesse.com do them as do other sites and they are fine in the UK

the required PCT though is not.

M1T is very potent
Superdrol is very strong also

Both need POM drugs for after you finish such as clomid or nolva (if you are inclined to use that) and these are black market or prescription

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geezore

So are they just banned in the USA?
Sorry mate, what does "PCT" mean.
I will look up Nolva and clomid etc. Are these for the side effects like water retention etc?

G

Lost Soul

They are no longer sold in the united states, but you can still drive a car at about 9 years old, buy a gun at about 14 and walk across the mexican border and be free from the cops any time you hold up a bank or deal crack

God bless america.....if you all start singing please

P - post
C - cycle
T - therapy

get your nuts working after the course and halt any estrogenic issues

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geezore

The M1Test, and superdrol seems a bit in excess of what I wanted. Don't wish to get involved in PCT etc.
Is 4-androstenediol any good? Or an inferior product. It is just a pro-hormone right? (Unlile 1-test which appears to be a steroid in all but name?)
Thanks for the advice buy the way. All a bit confusing for me at this stage.

Lost Soul

What do you want from the supplement?
What do you not want from the supplement?
How old are you?
What are your goals/stats?
How long have you been training?
Do you play or compete in sport?

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geezore

I am 39 years old, 40 in December.
I have been training for about a year, got to the limit of what my genetics are allowing me (weak genetics!) Up until pumping iron I was a runner and did basic CV work only. Now a knee injury prevents too much running.Naturally skinny frame with a bit of a belly (I know, there are not many worse body types out there!)

I want to build as much muscle as I can in 2-3 months, then do the CV work to trim down. (If that is the best way to do it)

I was looking at the 4-AD option, as seems safer than the 1-test??
Should I bulk up then lose fat? Seems that this is easier than doing the CV work at the same time as pumping iron (I do miss the running but I understand the difference between anabolic and catabolic states)

I don't want to take anything illegal, like proper steroids etc.

Sorry for the lack of information in the previous posts, I wasn't expecting such a lot of help on my first post!

Thanks

G

Lost Soul

Sorry mate, i got this far and switched off

I shall bump this for other members to pass comment but i cannot as i dont buy into the outlook of genetic limts being reached after this little training

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mars1960

I see your point mate, but your not taking into account his age, could well have very low test levels.
My advice mate, see a doc and get your test levels checked, you may qualify for TRT, if not then IMO forget the so called designer supps and pro hormones and get your self a course of sustanon.

PS steroids for personal use are not illegal in this country.

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Lost Soul

ok if it takes 1 year to hit your genetic limit, those who have 'good genetics' (whatever that may mean) would omly need a years training to be ready for the stage?

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mars1960

I think your missing the point, i only said he may have very low test levels, if that is the case then after just a few weeks he will have reached his limit because his gains are limited to test production as you know, so very low test = low gains, i'm not talking genetics, you were, thats why i pointed out his age, thats whats limiting his growth after such a short period of time. As for reaching you genetic limit, well if it's a healthy male in his late teens early 20's i'd say 5-7 years.At the risk of repeating myself.
In this case it's not genetics limiting his growth.

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Con

He's a big boy at 40, how about going to the doctor and getting your test levels checked perhaps you will be put on hrt i know at your age i will want and will be on hrt.

mars1960

Agreed mate thats what i said too.
Looking good con, best i not let the missus see you leaning on the dyson, she'll get ideas lol.

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geezore

Thanks for all the advice guys.
I can't find any 4-AD anyway, seems like the stuff in the internet stores is receiving mixed reviews.
I don't suppose there are any more actual stores out on the high street anymore, like a few years ago?

G

englanddog28

hi guys,i just joined because i was reading about the 4-ad,ive been looking for some for ages to stack with my 19nordiol i have,i followed the link at the top of the page but i cant find it on that site :( can someone please PM me a link to it?or post it up if thats allowed? thanks guys.