drhighintensity

Hi, I've recently found out about legal pro-hormones like M1T and epistane that produce mind blowing gains within a short period of time. Something that is legal, and relatively cheap at about £40 for 90 tablets seems do-able - especially when I'm spending in the region of £80 monthly on supplements and gym membership.

However, I do not know anything about them, their side-effects and so forth. The idea of PCT, milk thistle and all of this is relatively new. Mainly its tempting as I've read several reviews and been told about shocking gain such as 10 pounds on average within 2 weeks and 20-30kg strenght increases with 2 weeks. That is immensely enticing.

A little about me, I'm 18 years old, trained for approx 6 months now and put on rough 25-30 pounds of mass - HIT and correct diet - surplus of 300-500 calories. My bodyfat is about 10% and if its relevant I've used CEE for about 2 months(3-5g daily).

So far I've gathered that the hype is not what it is and its just the general media preventing you from attaining the adonis look - and that if used, steriods/pro-hormones should be used in wise consideration.

I would appreciate if anyone could point me in the right direction, on use or articles of these products and how to use them safely and effectively. My only concern currently are the possible side-effects that surround them and how to avoid these side-effects to the best of my ability.

Also I would appreciate stories/good news and such like of peoples use of these products and how they got on with it.

Thank you

kboy

M8, Your young, gaining well, IMO don't consider using them...

You have loads of potential left, when you are older, I.e 22 after 4 years of training maybe then you could consider AAS, but pro-hormones I would leave well alone, al of the sides with little gains.
Your best supplement at 18 is food.....

Con

Would be a mistake.
Too young.

drhighintensity

I hate to sound like a pillock, but I assumed 18 was the minimum age?

kboy

Trust us, this is't about the law it's about your health...
Your body is still growing fast, doing this now could jeapordise your long term health.
Train hard, eat well and leave these things alone for now...

drhighintensity

kboy, would you mind telling me the reason why so I should stop my search and spend my next 4 years researching it throughly?

ba baracuss

Keep doing what you're doing.

Keep gear in reserve for a few years time when you hit a plateau.

If you read around on here you'll see that the first cycle you do is usually the most effective, so you'll want to save it until you can't get any bigger naturally.

Those pro-hormones must be legal for one reason - they're not as good as the real thing.

If you posted up your diet and routine in the correct forum here you would get advice on how to improve those first.

kboy

Stunted growth, detremental effect to bone density,,, to name just a few..

Of course it is dosage dependant etc, ultimately it is of course your body and your choice, people on here just want to give you their honest opinion.

You are young, so you can train hard eat well and gain very well, from what you have said that seems to be working anyway.

You have only been training for 6 months, so apart from anything else you are not ready, irrespective of age, you need muscle maturity.

There is no magic pill, just continue to work hard and when in a few years, if you are still training, then, and only then should you consider using them..

drhighintensity

@ ba baracuss my routine and diet are pretty much perfect although volume lovers would say not.

kboy, im pretty fanatical about my training and do it religoiusly, i just wanted to join the elitist group whom gain incredibly quick instead of lazing around with CEE and standard protein shakes which get you 5 pounds lean mass a month if your lucky and will inevitably decrease with time.

I also meant 4 years researching so sorry about that, and I thank you for your honest opinions.

Could you immediatly suggest any form of research I can start from and how I should build up on it and so forth.

13stonetarget

Dude, 5lbs of lean mass a month?! Most people are lucky to achieve 1lb a month without touching gear!

kboy

There is a whole variety of ways to research, you have already started by joining here

You can buy a variety of books on the topic, just google ass and books, i'm sure you will find plenty.

My concern is that the more you research now, the more tempting they may become...

So IMO Forget them for a while,, search the diet, training and supplements board here for lots of great advice..

drhighintensity

Yes my weight goes up and BF stays exactly the same. my poundage seems to increase quite dramatically aswell over weekly periods.

kboy

sorry, AAS & books, I hate to think what may pop up if you put in ass LOL...

ba baracuss

Post em up then, I bet they're not, no offence.

beequeth

Mate I tried M1T a few years ago.
It was bad stuff. Over the 4 week cycle I put on a load of weigth, almost entirely fat and and water.

My strength increased, but the side effects IMO were not worth it. I finally stopped in week 4 when the left side of my face swelled up like a balloon.

Did the recomended Tamoxifen only PCT, which was no where near adequate, and as a result my HPTA was shut down for best part of 6 months.

Mate this stuff is as toxic as it gets, and makes DBOL look like smarties.

At your age, I wouldnt risk shuting down your natural testosterone production for any length of time for what in the end are minor hard to maintain gains.