Originally Posted by beequeth

Mate I tried M1T a few years ago.
It was bad stuff. Over the 4 week cycle I put on a load of weigth, almost entirely fat and and water.

My strength increased, but the side effects IMO were not worth it. I finally stopped in week 4 when the left side of my face swelled up like a balloon.

Did the recomended Tamoxifen only PCT, which was no where near adequate, and as a result my HPTA was shut down for best part of 6 months.

Mate this stuff is as toxic as it gets, and makes DBOL look like smarties.

At your age, I wouldnt risk shuting down your natural testosterone production for any length of time for what in the end are minor hard to maintain gains.

Originally Posted by beequeth

Mate I tried M1T a few years ago.
It was bad stuff. Over the 4 week cycle I put on a load of weigth, almost entirely fat and and water.

My strength increased, but the side effects IMO were not worth it. I finally stopped in week 4 when the left side of my face swelled up like a balloon.

Did the recomended Tamoxifen only PCT, which was no where near adequate, and as a result my HPTA was shut down for best part of 6 months.

Mate this stuff is as toxic as it gets, and makes DBOL look like smarties.

At your age, I wouldnt risk shuting down your natural testosterone production for any length of time for what in the end are minor hard to maintain gains.

Originally Posted by drhighintensity

Hi, I've recently found out about legal pro-hormones like M1T and epistane that produce mind blowing gains within a short period of time. Something that is legal, and relatively cheap at about £40 for 90 tablets seems do-able - especially when I'm spending in the region of £80 monthly on supplements and gym membership.

However, I do not know anything about them, their side-effects and so forth. The idea of PCT, milk thistle and all of this is relatively new. Mainly its tempting as I've read several reviews and been told about shocking gain such as 10 pounds on average within 2 weeks and 20-30kg strenght increases with 2 weeks. That is immensely enticing.

A little about me, I'm 18 years old, trained for approx 6 months now and put on rough 25-30 pounds of mass - HIT and correct diet - surplus of 300-500 calories. My bodyfat is about 10% and if its relevant I've used CEE for about 2 months(3-5g daily).

So far I've gathered that the hype is not what it is and its just the general media preventing you from attaining the adonis look - and that if used, steriods/pro-hormones should be used in wise consideration.

I would appreciate if anyone could point me in the right direction, on use or articles of these products and how to use them safely and effectively. My only concern currently are the possible side-effects that surround them and how to avoid these side-effects to the best of my ability.

Also I would appreciate stories/good news and such like of peoples use of these products and how they got on with it.

Thank you

Originally Posted by thestudbeast

Who recomends tamoxifen only PCT round here ;)

Originally Posted by TH&S

Right... Lets make this clear...

What makes you think after 6 months of training you have any clue as to how your body responds to the different stimulus placed on it by different training routines, life, diet, stress etc?

stimulus is provided by weight training. as far as i understand your saying i should try different routines, diet and what not and go through the whole trial and error phase then get onto the 'good' path. after these 6 months i have learnt to understand my body and its needs, what i can and canot handle by eventual trial and error. however, my diet and routine was not pieced together by psuedo-science that EVENTUALLY worked.

You have made good newbie gains as would be expected as your body has responded accordingly to the Principle of Overload. I.e. before there was no stimulus, now there is a great stimulus and a calorific excess and as such has ramped up your Test and GH production.

correct, my best gain was in the first month when i went up 12lb.

You have in no way exploited your natural potential, nor do you have any clue as to the risks associated with running gear. Lets be honest Pro Hormones and Pro Steroids are just liver toxic methylated steroid precursors, created to exploit a loophole in the law.

thats what i wanted to find out - all about the side effects etc and whether its right for me.

I highly doubt that you have kept your body fat at 10%, but even assuming you have, it means that a minimum of 10% of your mass gains were fat, and at least 40% to 50% was water and glycogen due to increase glycogen storage.

my bodyfat is at 10% measured by caliphers, as far as i can tell from apperance they're rock solid muscle and i dont have or get water retention because i use CEE and not monohydrate. i didnt neccesarily load on carbohydrate all the time.

If you were lucky you may have laid down 8lbs of quality muscle - which isn't an easy thing to continue repeating trust me.

no i laid down a rough 25-30, not water, not fat, not glycogen retention and if i did retain more glycogen than normal thats because of muscle mass gain. and i havent retained water and have drunk on average 2.5-3L of water daily - in order to hydrate.

Try coming OFF the CEE for 2 weeks and you can watch as 10lbs gets pee'd down the urinal...

the CEE has been on 2 months at 3-5g daily. i didnt need to load or excessively use it. your mistaking CEE with monohydrate, CEE does not retain water and even if it does - in amounts that are molecular.

Continue working hard and don't look for any magic pills...

thanks will do