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    Havoc: liver toxicity?

    Anyone got any info on RPN Havoc's liver toxicity? From everything I've read it's regarded as "mild", but what exactly does that mean? Is it more or less stressful on your liver than, say, Dbol?

    What would be the absolute max dosage/cycle length you could run this compound for without compromising health? I've seen it run up to 50mg, and i've also seen people run it for 8 weeks on eg 30/40mg?

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    30-40mg is good.

    I would personally not run beyond 6 weeks.

    Google will have to be your friend on the liver stress if you are looking for some actual readings.

    Epi (Havoc) is not one of the worst though and with sensible support supplements the negatives can be controlled and your health maintained.

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    I think the max dosage may be what they but on the side of the tin. It is there for a reason.

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by jw390898
    30-40mg is good.

    I would personally not run beyond 6 weeks.

    Google will have to be your friend on the liver stress if you are looking for some actual readings.

    Epi (Havoc) is not one of the worst though and with sensible support supplements the negatives can be controlled and your health maintained.

    Do you know how it compares with dbol for instance?

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    ALOT less toxic than dbol

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by C.Hill View Post
    ALOT less toxic than dbol
    Really? Do you have a link to any info on this? (Not doubting you, just interested to see more about it.)

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    I dont have a link. Google dbol sides or something, epi isnt to be taken lightly but its just generally known to be milder than dbol or sd.

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    Nothing to see here

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpower View Post
    Very good post.

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by exalta View Post
    Anyone got any info on RPN Havoc's liver toxicity? From everything I've read it's regarded as "mild", but what exactly does that mean? Is it more or less stressful on your liver than, say, Dbol?
    I'd say maybe similar to d-bol. D-bol isn't particularly hepatotoxic. They're both significantly less toxic than say M1T, or SD.

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    Im on Havoc, actually got some liver pain when i was running on the 3rd day..
    Its tolerabole, but yeah i feel my liver working, isent pain but more of irretation..

    After 2weeks i got use to it and seems like the problem is gone, for me 3pills a day dident work untill last week "see my log"
    This is my first time running a PH, so theres alot of things to try! but if i some day decide to run a Havoc cycle again i will be upping towards 40-50 for 6weeks

    The NTBM Need2guard has def done its job! So has HCGenerate, cuz i did have testicel pain and yes they began to shrink alittle.. They are smaller now but are keeping their size and pain has gone away, def a sign of that i am shutting down alittle

    All in all i was happy about running to havoc, PH´s do have a place in the world of bodybuilding thats for sure.
    Got 1week left of the cycle

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Profion View Post

    The NTBM Need2guard has def done its job! So has HCGenerate, cuz i did have testicel pain and yes they began to shrink alittle.. They are smaller now but are keeping their size and pain has gone away, def a sign of that i am shutting down alittle
    So have you run a cycle without it, so you can accurately compare or just advertising more expensive stacks, talk about product placement

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    Re: Havoc: liver toxicity?

    Word?

    Ive ran a HG winstrol cycle before, that gave me same problems!

    then this havoc cycle wich gave the problems, but imo the product did help with. Isent that the point with cycle assist products, they are made to help your body withstand the harsh effects of roids on your body!

    was shut down after the winstrol cycle, and yes i did not have a PCT. Testes where alot smaller, yet again i cannot compare winstrol and havoc totally togetter because they are each different drugs that work in a different way. But i had the pain in testis wich i now know is due to starting of shutdown

    balls are smaller but have kept their size from 50% of the cycle, wich imo says that something has workt quite well! i am no NTBM rep, ive just heard good things about these products on US boards. And so far i am not disapointed, i will try out alot of other products such as DS´s stack to compare..

 

 

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