wogihao

nah you could take all the protien, fats, and carbs and then you could work out the total.

1g of carbs = 4 callories
1g of protien = 4 callories
1g of fat = 9 callories
1g of alchol = 7 calloires
So for example my snack today was 1/2 a double chocolate gateau.

thats 2.5 portions of cake

sooo....


on the packet its given it per portion so it recons that the 350g of cake is 5 portions...

1 portion is

183 cal per portion total x 2.5 = 457.5 cals total

Protein = 3.8g per portion
Carbohydrates = 22.7g per portion
Fat = 8.5g per portion
Fiber = 2.2g per portion
Salt = 0.1g per portion

soo I ate 2.5 portions of cake
thats...

9.5g of protein
56.75g of carbs
21.25g of fat
5.5g fiber
and 0.25g of salt

so now i know all the diffrent components i can work out my total calloritic intake

9.5g of protien gives me 4 cals per gram of protein that gives me 38 cals
56.75g of carbs gives me 4 cals per gram of carbs that gives me 227 cals
21.25g of fat gives me 9 cals per gram of fat that gives me 191.25 cals
if i could digest the fiber it would give me 4 cals per gram giving me 22 cals

So 456.25 cals total nearly what it said on the packet at the fron for 457 cals we wernt far off..

cellaratt

Fcuk me I'm even more confused now then when I started. Wogi can you take a look at my meals on my journal and guestimate my total cal intake for the day when you get a free sec...Thanks...

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TH&S

Dodgy 80s research still being pimped out by common or garden fitness mags.

Dodgy food can affect Cholesterol levels by about 4% - can dig out a study if you want it, but thats basicaly all it says

Gear can, obviously, massively change your HDL (make it almost non-existant...) and LDL (send it through the roof) which could be why Ronnie takes Cholesterol meds perhaps....? :rolleye11

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ba baracuss

Thanks for that. That's helped me get a better grasp of things somewhat.

I had always understood it that while lots of calories are necessary, they're best being 'clean' calories, ie not from sugar and fat.

I may well try eating my fry ups again for a while then and also takeaways, cake etc. I'm naturally slim anyway so it can't hurt.

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wogihao

To a certain point you can eat clean but you have to rember your body can only digest so many carbs ect at one time, if your stomach is full of say rice, theres no way you would get all the nutrents in there processed you would end up ****ting most of the good stuff out the other end.

so you need callorie dence foods to first take care of your basic callorie matence levels then you add in quality protiens and carbs but again you want the most bang for you buck, they need to be high protien/high carb sources so when it hits your intestines you can process the nutrents as effectivly as possible because were trying to maximise the intestinal absorption of callories/nuturents into the blood stream.

Thus if you use a food source that has a low callorie or low protien/ or low carb per gram its not a efficent use of your intestines and it will just prevent the nutrents of other better food sources getting absorbed into the body.

The other reasion for eating dirty is after a point your body rejects anything thats in to higher quanity (consider why most people rotate there protein sources and carbs - over time bro - science says that you become intolerant to a particular food source.)

Its also way easyer to eat **** that you like than plain food thats "good" for you. thus its far more likely that your fullfull the calloritic need for growth doing somthing you like rather than somthing you hate.

Con

Wogi how about you STFU about this until you actually get to a mans weight and then you can keep saying stuff like this

wogihao

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Very funny, unlike the yourself i dont get most of my junk callories from stella though so i cant comment.

You must teach me this new diet the AA prep.

lol you watch this space 3 weeks 100kg+ again then maby maby 110kg... in another 2

Con

Actually its vodka and chocolate martinis

cellaratt

Please be patient Con, when you go from eating one meal a day to some kind of bulking diet, it is that hard, or your expertise on this board woudln't really be needed...

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Con

Nah i have no expertise mate i just go on here to post stupid ****

I fully agree thats very hard to do i struggle to eat all my food on a cutting diet let alone eat that kind of quantity.

Extreem bulking is cool and all but when i do it i look like this...
and that doesnt do me any favors women wise when compared to this so i prefer to stick to a clean diet with the occasional litre of vodka and big mac attack thrown in for good measure:lift:

cellaratt

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wogihao

It looks someone killed your dog in the first pic, were you upset?

vodka, I somtimes indulge the simple pleasures of subroka but thats only now and again lol.

Con

As usual wogi left info out and i have to come and pick up the pieces
Here is the most important part of the article.....

The Role of Drugs in Diet
Before we continue on, I'd like to make it clear that the nutritional strategies that are discussed in this article are not designed with the health of the athlete in mind. Additionally, the plan we will outline will be of benefit only to bodybuilders using significant amounts of growth promoting drugs, specifically heavy androgens. In a future issue of Anabolic Extreme, we will examine the various high-fat, low-carb diets, which I feel are particularly effective for natural athletes. Please bear in mind that any numbers or figures discussed in this article would apply only to bodybuilders that are fairly advanced and using a significant amount of steroid. Nutritional strategies would vary for beginners or natural athletes. I can always be contacted via the site and try and answer as many emails as possible. I'm also available for consultations and on-line training.

Obviously, something is going on here that is allowing these guys to consume an enormous amount of calories and not have it go straight to their butt and gut. If a natural athlete were to eat in this fashion, he'd soon be getting a visit from a sobbing Richard Simmons. The drugs these athletes take not only have an anabolic effect, but have some effect on adipose tissue as well. So, out of the myriad of drugs these athletes use, which are responsible for keeping for them both large and lean (relatively!) at the same time?

Hopefully everyone is aware of the amazing effect HGH has on reducing body fat. This is one of the few real world effects of growth that has been proven through scientific research. Its effects on lean body mass, at least according to all of the studies I've read, are less than impressive. This isn't what I've witnessed with my own eyes, but I don't even want to open up that can of worms here! However, all of the studies on growth show that it burns fat, with some subjects losing as much as 15% of their fat tissue.

Testosterone has a proven effect on lipolysis (fat release) in adipose tissue. To my knowledge, there has never been a study done using young, healthy males and large doses of testosterone to determine its effects on body composition. For the most part, studies done on growth hormone and testosterone are performed on aging populations and geriatrics, or severely ill individuals suffering from wasting conditions. However, there have been a few studies on younger males using very low doses of testosterone that have clearly demonstrated its effectiveness at reducing body fat.

Meal Planning, Frequency, and Consistency
We've all heard we should eat 4-6 meals a day. I try and have most of my clients shoot for 6-8 meals a day. Why? Well, let's say your caloric intake on any given day needs to be 7500 kcals per day. If you consume this over three meals, each meal will contain approximately 2500 kcal. Realistically, your body is not going to be able to digest this many calories and much of the nutrient value of the food is lost. By spreading these meals over 7 sittings, you're able to effectively digest the food and maximize the benefits of eating at this level. Additionally, your metabolism is going to speed up since every time you consume food, your body has to expend energy to digest it.

Eating more frequent smaller meals has been proven to have positive effects on cholesterol and body fat levels. Now, I'm not telling you that eating 7,500 kcals is unhealthy when consumed in three meals but healthy when spread out over seven. Eating calories at that level is unhealthy, PERIOD!! However, bodybuilding is about achieving a certain cosmetic effect, and the extremes of bodybuilding are only reached through extreme measures. If this frightens you, you need to reevaluate your goals. Again, we are discussing what it takes to succeed in the upper echelons of the sport.

When it becomes necessary to consume calories at this level, life becomes a constant stream of eating, cooking, cleaning, and eating again. Most pro bodybuilders don't have a job outside the sport, the daily regimen that's required to be successful precludes outside work. Meals should be consumed every 2-3 hours with clockwork precision. This ensures a constant supply of nutrients and protein in the bloodstream. Obviously it's nearly impossible to consume 6-8 solid food meals a day, most athletes will take 3-4 or their meals in liquid form. Since these liquid meals are more easily digested than whole foods, it allows the bodybuilder a respite if 7-8 meals are required to get the necessary caloric intake.

So, how many calories are necessary for growth? Every athlete has a different caloric need, based on a variety of factors. At the elite level, athletes have been known to consume 25-30 kcal per lb of bodyweight per day. What's important to understand is that the level of caloric consumption should be based on the weight you are striving for, not your current weight. Let's take Joe Bodybuilder. Joe weighs 260 lbs at 6' and has been lifting seriously for several years now. His friends keep telling him to compete at the State level so he's decided to get up to 300 lbs and diet back. However, no matter how hard he tries, he can't add any more muscle. The problem probably lies with Joe's nutrition program. Since he wants to weigh 300 lbs, he might have to eat somewhere in the range of 8,000-9,000 kcal per day to achieve that weight. Most bodybuilders are unable to do this.

If Joe does have the willpower to do this, what should he eat? I've known many elite bodybuilders that eat whatever they want in the off season. Certainly they focus on protein consumption, but after that, everything is fair game. It is possible to eat in a fashion that is conducive to both fat loss and muscular gain but that requires constant monitoring of the athlete and is beyond the scope of this article.

The bodybuilding media has perpetrated the myth that we should be in shape all year long. Realistically, this is ultimately a recipe for disaster in your quest to add muscular size. Staying lean year round is the domain of male models and endurance athletes. If you're serious about packing on as much muscle as possible, go buy that baggy T-shirt and start loading up on the groceries. When you diet off that extra flab, you'll find that you've taken your physique to a whole new level.

If you want to maximize your bodybuilding success, contact Jason Meuller at jason@anabolicextreme.com. Jason is available for online consultations to help you achieve your bodybuilding goals.

Copyright 1999 Jason Meuller and Anabolic Extreme


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nathanlowe

So the extreme body builders, in the offseason, eat large amounts of fatty foods ?

So you can put on alot of muscle from eating a high fat junk food diet ?

Wee G