cyberheater

But surely you should be able to reach a balance where you eat what you require so that you don't put on excessive fat.

It seems to me that putting on a 50lb of fat over a year just to trim it off is using a rather blunt instrument to achieve your goals.

Is there anyone that got fairly massive and managed to stay lean all year around?

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I think the point here guys is the fact that say a 300+ lb bodybuilder off season would have a hard time getting enough clean cals down his necks to actually gain muscle as obvioulsy the bigger you get the more cals you need.

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Everyone used to do it like this, It was just never talked about. Sure you might have one or two freaks that stay lean all year round but then why do pro's take 16-22 weeks to geat ready for a contest?

Small people buy the majority of suplements rember you have to create a need for these products, the big man is not going to sit there thinking "where is the next wonder product from BSN or Cell tech to get me huge?" they would just contiue doing what they were doing.

Your body likes to create a blance, its not designed to add mass not after a certain point and if you are lean thats a indication that theres not enough callories for your body to think "yes theres food a-plenty lets build some muscle." rather its probably thinking "damm i have been eating like karen carpenter, better stay lean and hope for a better harvest next time.."

I meen the guys that stay lean year round are on the whole either going nowhere, or having to use masive amounts of the suplements that dare not speak to maintain that mass in a callorie deficent state/base line state.

Like yea sure you can maintain like that but to buld new muscle I think it takes a excess of callories and alot of protien. I dont have any studies to back that up but it seems good common sence. (bro theory has my back.)

To go back to your orignal point how many truely masive guys have you or any of us seen? very few people get that far. And to be sure its not the guy takeing the MRD and clocking 3k of calloires (or 5k of internet calls). And its unfortunatly ususaly the guys you never expected and you know why because they were too stuborn/stupid to take in the BS from the magazines. So they just continued doing there own thing and got massive inspite of the current advertiseing.

TH&S

Lol @ 5k of Internet kCals.

I never beleive peoples diets that they post. As they are always a best day scenario.

What might be done Monday to Friday will rarely be done over a weekend...

Lads I know who bulk are bulking at around 7kcals, but I'd guess don't get *that much* above 15% bodyfat in the off season.

Wogi a question for you - do you beleive the diet posted above is for PED users only...?

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wogihao

Honestly I dont know

The process is much more efective I would speculate with PEDs. The cut most certainly would be much better if you were assisted because you would maintain more lean body mass and probably push the balance even further in favour of fat burning.

Also consider that most people are at that stage either kidding themselves or useing.

I meen its also the mindset, a natural training is going to be more risk adverse I would speculate so probably this aproach would not be his ideal method. Also the odds natural loseing that much fat that quickly without quite a lot of lean body mass are against you. But no doubt its been done.

This is a true natural, not a pro-hormone/designer steriod poping/suspension useing/insulin hgh freak.

obviously for the "neo-natural" its far less risky aproach.

but all this is speculation.

I would have thought that the diet assumed PED use as its the ones the pros use.

TH&S

Natty dieting I think it going to be much slower. I'm sure Fivos said dieting takes him 20 weeks.

Then again I'd guess most nattys would be quite happy being strong and lean-ish all year round, knowing that they really need to take it up to the next step to gain proper mass.

Or just train solidly for 20years.

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Its also not a good idea for 140lb noob to be injecting a couple of grams of gear and lots hgh

One of my fav articles wogi deffo has its merits i know my own little "extreem eating" last year brought a new size to my body and i will probably do it again in the winter.

TH+S i have to laugh at your diet comment as i know its very true even for my self VERY VERY VERY few people actually eat the same thing every day in the same amounts as they state on threads i know some do and more power to them but i dont i do stay within the macro nutrient range but i like a little variety.........and the odd mac d excursion

And about natty dieting for 20 weeks my diet will have been around 20 weeks also and i didnt start sloppy as such but perhaps it all goes back to the mac d comment pmsl

wogihao

Oh yea your get a guy on the monday he will stuff himself probably will get 5k callories but come tuesday hes still full so he will get at most 2k wednesday hes still got the ebby jibbis but trys hard and manages 3.5k. this then contiues untill friday when he goes out on the ****, drinks around 2.5k callories from stella then spends the rest of the weekend in a drink induced stupor so 0callories there...

and then sunday he resolves to do better next week...

Thus monday he hits his 5k call target and the cycle starts again.

TH&S

Lol.

My diet is 95% of what I claim it is. But I only claim it to be correct Monday to Friday when I'm in the office.

Saturday and Sunday I shoot for whatever I need to - be it a refeed, or just making sure I get a decent feed.

With all the running about I have to do on a weekend eating every 3 hours as I do Monday to Friday *AND* having a life simply isn't possible...

I reckon Sat & Sunday I get 4 solid meals in. And the odd shake. One meal is normally a huge massive one.

Like ordering 2 or 3 portions in Frankie and Bennies on a Saturday afternoon after training legs

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wogihao

my diet is fairly free form, i just have to keep eating thats the downside. your find yourself eating every couple of hours at least. Thats very limiting unless you like visiting resturants. I just take my food with me or raid the friends fridges. (not a homo refrence - food related lol).

Pompey Tim

Good article Wogi, reminds me of a quote I read on T-Nation which went something like " Thats why its called 'bulking', not 'delicately adding mass' ".

I have to say though, I have tried the mega calories approach, and although I did gain well on it, I was always a bit uneasy about what the sugar and fats were doing to my health generally.

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DB

interesting.. funny enough i had been telling myself this offseason i really need to increase my calories...

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wogihao

Its not as fun as it sounds, it gets old very quickly. even if its your fav foods.

Haha but yea point taken about the sugar/fats but then again its short term.
I would rather be doing that then doing some crazy cycle to acheve the same goal i guess.

cyberheater

Personally, I'm going to get to my six pack and then not worry about food again. That's not the same as eating crap, but i've spent far to much time checking labels etc...
I'll still eat 6 or 7 small meals/snacks a day and i'll ensure each one contains around 20gr of protein but apart from that, it's gonna be free flow for me.

If I start putting on fat again then i'll adjust or do more cardio. Because, to be honest, Its starting to get a bit obsessional for me at the mo and the stuff I posted in my food log was 100% accurate. (which i've stopped for now 'cause I'm sick of it.)

(Mini rant over)

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DB

so u eat 120g protein a day??

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