winger

I copied and pasted from this link.

http://www.biohazardforums.com/viewt...light=pete+pic

This is a must read from "ONE SMART COOKIE" It is the same stuff I have been talking about. Diet is key.

High protein low carb high fat diets are probably one of the things that
have caused so much confusion and debate in bodybuilding these past few
years,is it good to eat so much fat and protein and so few carbs,will it kill
you cause heart attacks and so forth.

High fat low carb diets have been around since the 18th century,they were
first introduced by a bloke who was having health peobs and was over weight(can`t remember his name)if memory serves me right I think he
was a doctor and he got such great results from it that he made up a
leaflet all about it.

They next surfaced in the early bodybuilding years with vince gironda and
one or two others being big advocates of it,then as the 80`s drew ever
closer it fell out of favour.

Atkins first brought it to the main stream public in the 70`s with his diet
revolution,but looking back over the history of the world they have been
about far far longer than we realise.

There once was a chap called stephanson(i think) that was studying the
eskimos in the late 1800`s,he was in poor health and in his 50`s,he spent
about 18 years living and sudying them adopting there ways and so forth.
When he returned to the western world(usa)he had some studies done to
see how his new lifestyle had effected him,he was amazed to find that he
was in far better health than what he had been when he first left,even
though he had been living off whale blubber and raw fish for most of the
time,he then procceded to write his studies up in a book called,man cannot
live by bread alone.

Are high fat diets bad for us,I say no,as long as we reduce our intake of
carbs,especially man made carbs.The human biology is thousands of years
old but our diet has only changed drastically this past 200years,there are
breeds of chickens that are far older than this.If you look at our anatomy
we where not made to eat so many carbs,but we were made to eat fats
and protein,pre historic man would go out kill a mamoth and eat it,he
would eat everything meat and fat,he wouldn`t say to the wife stick some
veggies on luv to go with this,so why should we?what about fibre you say?
he got his fibre (a)in the summer when the seasonal fruits came in to bloom and (b) he would eat roots nut and seeds for this,now this is were
evolution comes in,for him to be able to absorb this very harsh roughage
he had a second stomach(just like the cow)he used his appendix which is
what it was origonaly designed for.thats why today we have so many
health problems associated with the appendix,it is not being used for what
it was meant for and just sits there doing nothing and rotting.

What happens when we eat carbs,we release insulin,what happens when
we eat fat we don`t release insulin,insulin is only needed when we are
hungry to shuttle the energy needed to were it is needed when we are out
on the plains chasing dinner,the body releases adrenaline which then
releases insulin,so you get the energy needed and the anger needed to
do the job at hand.

When you look through the different cultures of the worl who uses fat as
the main source of energy,eskimo,inuit,masai,english,english you say,yes
the english,when we were in america we brought back the humble potato
the indians thought we were crackers they never ever ate the potato they
say it as a poisonous item,we brought it back as a flower not an edable
item,we only started to use it as a food source for the poor and for
cultures we conquered,how you ask,we took all the best food and gave
them the potato to eat,this is what we did mainly with the irish,this is why
they suffered so much with the potato blight,they had nothing else left to
eat because we had taken it all,the incas and mayanes did the same thing
to tribes they conquered they took all the best food and left them crap
carbs to eat,just look at the spud it has a glycemic index of 98 nearly as
high as sugar,major insulin rush.

If high fat diets are so bad why are they being used to treat children with
severe epilepsy?because they calm the system,carbs only cause kaos in
the body and brain with all the rushes you and unstableness the cause,if
you eat fat it takes upto 6 hours to digest carbs upto 3 hours,this causes
probs with the chemicals in the brain and sets of the seizures,the high fat
diet readdresses that and calms everything back down.

what about cholesterol you say?cholesterol doesnot cause problems it is
tryglycerides that are the enemy,these are caused by sugar and fat being
around at the same time the body uses the sugar because it takes less
work to use than the fat and the body likes to do less work.Cholesterol
also helps us produce more testosterone and more test is good for us,you
cannot take in as much cholesterol as the body already producess.All the
tests done in medical studies about cholestrerol and heart attacks were
done on rabbits rabbits are vegetarian so what do you expect,a negative
responce to them being in the system.

So dump the carbs and welcome back fats it is what your body was made
for.
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miami797

i think their is some truth to that, but mainly for lazy old ladies that dont go to the gym...or eskimos sitting in their igloos smoking fish guts all day......besides, the english have the high fat diet like americans, and now that ive been here they talk about england being the fattest country in europe now, catching right up with america...

the atkins diet has some merit in that if you dont have carbs to burn your body will burn the fats deposits.....but the most productive way to burn fat is by getting your lazy asses off the sofa and getting on a bike or treadmill...and the way calories work is carbs are the #1 source of energy #2 being fat, but in order to properly burn that fat you have to burn some carbs first....like ive said before think of lighting a fire, fat being the wook and carbs being the fuel....its going to take a long time to light that wood if you dont use the fuel to get it going.....

plus you also have to watch the fats you eat and more important is the type of cholesterol...Low Density and High Density...the proper cholesterol at the proper level will be your best friend...thats what that supp MYTHOXY was all about...

anyways, i could go on for hours but that will just bore you....

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winger

Not boring at all. Let me throw something at you.
How long does it take to burn off an average vanilla shake at one of those fast food restaurants?
Answer. 50 minutes of running. Not jogging, running. So diet is key and cardio is secondary. With a clean diet your bf would be lean and cholesterol would be better. I am not going to say perfect because some people just produce allot of cholesterol.

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miami797

glad you pointed out running and not jogging....alot of people think keeping a mild-steady pace on a treadmill or bike is cardio...when it's really just a waste.....well not a complete waste but its a waste if youre trying to burn fat and not just burn off carbs.....plus if youre trying to get the heart in good health you have to get the rates up pretty high...some say 60-70% of the resting heart rate but i was always made to go 80%....it's tough and it takes a while to get yourself fit enough to get your heart going that fast for upwards of 40 minutes but its worth it in the end....having a proper diet(for yourself not for what some book tells you) and excelent fitness does alot more for you and for alot longer then any winstrol cycle...

they had a special here since ive been in england on that atkins diet....pretty interesting if you ever get to see it over in the states...i'm recorded it but i have to re-record it to NTSC so i can show it to people when i get back to miami..........

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winger

Well the best diet out in my opinion is "Enter the Zone" by Barry Sears. Hands down best of all. He is a biochemist and for some reason it is easy to read. First you find your lean muscle mass and then from there you can find out how much to eat and then space it out over 5 meals. Each meal is ballanced with a ratio of protein, carbs and fats. I got so ripped and kept all my strength and I felt so good. I am on a beer diet right now.

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Pete

Winger, where would I get hold of the "Enter the Zone" diet?

big pete

in regards to target heart rate. a person can only fully comment after they have done a "origin" test. this measure % of carbs/fats burned at specific heart rates. jason wicker burns 100%fat from 95-160bpm of his max heart rate, but his RHR burn carbs only!!! granted he is in exellent shape all year round and is now officially a genetic freak, but il be having a test very soon along with my training partner and a powerlifter so i can pass comment after that

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winger

Sounds good mate keep us posted.

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Jimmy

Not only does the vo2 test determine target heart rate, it also pinpoints the ratios of fats/carbs used for energy in an individual!!

So this is why some guys advocate carbs over fats and vice versa.

I took the test with jason wicker back in march and he is a massive carb burner. I was a 50/50 burner of the two but as my heart rate increased, I used more and more fats!

The thread origonaly posted is a good read

http://www.biohazardforums.com/viewt...t=2064&start=0

As is this one also on bio

http://www.biohazardforums.com/viewt...er=asc&start=0

They are both worth a read

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winger

I want to get tested now. That sounds like very important information to know.

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ONE SMART COOKIE

[quote=winger]I copied and pasted from this link.

http://www.biohazardforums.com/viewt...light=pete+pic

This is a must read from "ONE SMART COOKIE" It is the same stuff I have been talking about. Diet is key.

Wow I`ve finally arrived,an article of mine has finally been posted on another forum thanks winger you`ve made my year

Hi jimmy,thanks for the link.

Diet is the key to our success and it can be anything upto 90% diet and 10% training,the main problems we have today is that we are just bombarded with stuff in the papers on the tv and especially on the net about this diet that diet that we spend most of our time running around in a haze and never really giving any type of diet a chance to work or truelly find out if it doeasn`t work and why not.

I have tried just about em all and the high fat does have potential for stripping away fat whilst doing a show and building lean tissue in the off season,is it any good longterm?well we will get to know that as time goes by,but the scientists and doctors wont find that out for us as they are being pressured too much by the food manufacturers to say it is bad for us because we have the food pyramid,always have always will.

England is getting fatter just like the states but that has nothing to do with following the high fat craze it is purely down to the combination of high fat and high carb intakes with a bone idle attitude to exercise(not doing any)and a total lack of proper education in schools as to what we should eat and why and how the body copes with different types of food etc etc etc,we as bodybuilders only know all this because we go looking for it,the average joe public hasn`t got a clue,only what he is drip fed by the goggle box(tv).

If you are going to try a high fat diet,always keep in mind that you need at least 4-8 weeks to trully see the ups and downs of it and any other diet for that matter,as for me well i`m trying something else for now,but you can be assured the high fat one is the cornerstone of all that I do.

winger

For some reason the high fat diet on this forum goes against the grain a tad bit. I was honored to post that. It is the same thing I have been saying but cleaned up and writen much better than I can.

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ONE SMART COOKIE

I find the high fat diet gets a lot of flack from most forums,I got tons on muscle talk so I left,if people would only give things a try then they would see for themselves not just listen to some screwball hiding behind a computer screen spewing out tons of scientific data he has spent most of his life looking for just to trash somebody or something.

If people really want to look into the high fat stuff they should read bodyopus by duchaine damm good read,but in it he incorperates three different diets,2 before you even get to the high fat stuff,then he comes into his own on the high fat diet.

The high fat thing will always be around its been around for decades/centuries and will continue to be around,its up to the individual if the have the common sense/desire/intregue(sic)to actually try it and push it to its limits,2 months of trying a diet aint going to kill you(unless of course your bad cholesterol is of the chart),and to be honest I think deep down most pro`s actually use the high fat stuff at the begining of their diets and add the carbs as they get nearer,how else would they loose so much weight so quickly,even GH doesnt work that fast,but they wont come out and give all their secrets away,will they?

hackskii

Cooki, I do the Atkins with really good success.
I found I had more energy too, almost unlimited as a matter of fact.
I like how you dont retain as much water and the bloat just goes away.
The muscles do get a little flat but I notice less catabolism than on other diets.

You wont get flamed on this board so if you want to post go ahead. This board is kindof unique to the fact that all the guys are good guys. Some playing goes on but you wont get flammed here.

Thanks for the original post.

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winger

One Smart Cooki I am going to really enjoy your posts. Welcome to the board.

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