Syntherol

[Incredible Bulk]

i'm not ignorant nor naieve..easy tiger

ernie taylor and his triceps

flex and his shoulders and possibly calves

i know it goes on and i know it can be well done...only having a joke jeesh

[MasterBlaster]

This was Written by Big A on another forum

Site oils can be used for two purposes - to increase the size of a muscle or to shape a muscle.

To increase size, lets use the biceps for example. You need to inject in EVERY head of the muscle, while rotating the shots daily within that head. This is the only way to ensure that the added size keeps to your natural look/shape of the muscle. The quickest way to get a muscle up to maximum size is to do the following regimen: 1ml for 10 days in each head of the muscle. 2ml for 10 days. 3ml for 10 days. If you do both, the biceps and triceps simultaneously, you can add up to 3" on your arms in those 30 days.
Now, this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!: you HAVE to massage the area that you just injected SEVERELLY! You have to make sure that there's no lump forming. The muscle should always be soft. You should NEVER have a lump. It is also a good idea, to inject just before going to the gym, so as soon as you get to the gym, you should do a couple light weight, high reps sets for that muscle, to get the blood moving. This again will minimise lump formation. You have to keep in mind, that as soon as lumps form because you did not massage, scar tissue will form as well. You want to avoid scar tissue at all costs. Also, to minimise scar tissue build up, use VERY small needles, like 25g or 26g, inch or 1inch long (depending on the injection site) and inject VERY slowly. If you find that you cannot keep with the lump build up, but you are due for another shot, wait until, by massaging, the lump goes away (it should not be more than a couple of days) and then resume from where you left off.

If you have all the size you wish and just want to shape the muscle, as adding a peak on the biceps, then inject the spot, in the peak of the muscle, with 1ml every day or every second day until you obtain the peak that you desire.

What I recommend to people that are just starting out using these oils is to use 1ml per head of muscle per day, or every second day, for a week or so and see how they react to it. That way they can judge how many ml they can use per muscle head and how often.

Where to inject - Great pictorial guide is here: www.howtodoinjections.com Read the SEO pictorial guide.

BICEPS - inner and outer head. You can feel the `split' in between the two heads of the biceps when you feel with your other hand. Inject on each side of that. If you want to increase the length/thickness of the bicep, inject more in the inner head (closer to your body). If you want to increase the peak, inject more in the outer head.

TRICEPS - You don't need to inject in the outer/horseshoe head, unless it is really lacking behind. You inject in the middle and rear heads of the triceps. Generally, at the back of your arm, the upper portion is the rear head and the lower portion is the middle head, as the two heads overlap each other somewhat.

DELTOIDS - just inject straight into whatever head is lacking in size.

CALVES - Natural calves, no matter how big the are, have a `flat' look to the muscle. So you want to keep that look, you don't want to have your calves looking round like someone stuck an air hose in there. So, you inject in multiple shots, on the outside edges of the muscle. That will make the calf go outwards, while keeping the flat, natural look.

QUADS - With muscles this large, you need to do multiple daily injections. Where in the biceps you use 1ml per head per day to begin with, on quads you need to start with 1ml per site, 7 sites per quad. That is to avoid the `lumpy' look and keep the quad uniform. Again, to keep the natural look of the thigh, you should inject in the `peak' of the outer quad, injecting along the crest. If the teardrop is lacking, then just inject straight into it, rotating sites daily. I personally don't recommend quad shots, especially teardrop, due to the very high amount of nerves in the area.

PECS - pecs are a very large, 'flat' type of muscle. As such, the injections have to cover the entire area of the muscle, to 'lift' it at the same time, otherwise a lumpy look will result. I recomend three rows of three shots per pec per day.

I strongly recommend that you get some anatomy charts and study the muscles and the nerves that are in the area that you want to inject.

How do Site Oils work? To begin with, they do not stay in the muscle for 3 to 5 years. They get dissipated within months. However, during this time, they have stretched the fascia of that muscle. The fascia is a great constrictive factor in muscle growth. The more stretched the fascia is the more the muscle will grow and the more it will have that `popping' look. Site oils stay in there long enough for the fascia to stretch. As they dissipate, the `space' left by them is replaced with new muscle tissue growth. That is the reason why when x-rays/MRIs where performed on some of the people that have 25"+ arms, there was no oil found in there. The oil dissipated and it was replaced by real muscle.
The principle is the same as the one behind site shots with steroids, but it works at a much a larger degree, because the Site Oils take that much longer to dissipate.
As well, this is the same principle behind fascial stretching. Howver, it is much more efficient with Site Oils. Best example is to imagine a baloon. You can pull on it and stretch it as much as you want, and you will stretch it a bit. But if you fill it with a liquid, you will be able to stretch it to a much larger degree than just pulling on it from the outside. This is the best way to compare the efficiency of fascial stretching versus using Site Oils.

Pain - obviously, any site shot hurts. The pain will minimise the more you inject, until it will not hurt any more. Site Oils hurt, but not as much as site injections with, lets say, Sustanon or Testosterone Propionate. However, as I said, they will hurt less and less the more you use them.

Dangers - Site Oils are safe, if certain precautions are taken, same as when injecting anything else. You always have to aspirate. Always! You DO NOT want the oil to go in a vein. Always massage the area after the shot so scar tissue build up doesn't occur. And most importantly - USE COMMON SENSE! If you have 16" arms, don't think that you will have 23" in 5 weeks! Because if you try that, you will end up with deformed looking muscles and you will be the laughing stock of the world. On a side note, people like Greg Valentino have implants, not SEO's in their muscles. It is physiologically impossible to look like these guys do with SEOs. Hopefully that puts that myth to rest.

Site Oils are there to help you break past a plateau. If your genetics indicate that you are 242 with 5% bf, but you only have 18" arms, then Site Oils will help you bring your arms in proportion.
All that I am saying is that Site Oils are there to aid the work that you do in the gym, not replace it!

[Vince]

When you get to a certain level it's a tool like many others...we can debate why the sport has gone this far as to need always more "tools" but the reality is that most pro use it...that proves that if done properly it wont leave you looking retarded like GV.
Professionalmuscle is the best site where to learn how to use it in regards of lenght and amounts of cycles and how and where to jab it.
And altho they're sponsored by a company that produces one they point out that there's another good product on the market (the original) and tell you to beware of cheap imitations, which is probably what the guys above used.
Never used it myself BTW.

[estfna]

i voted that i haven't but i may use it. i see it as another weapon in the bodybuilders armoury. imo it is no different to using steroids/diuretics/stimulants. i.e. their is a correct way to use them and their is also abuse.

look at flex wheeler, he came in one year and it seemed he'd put about 3 inches on his calves... if i remember right he was accused of having implants...


if you want to see real abuse of synthol, just google "klaus doring". the guy makes valentino look like a natural bb.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uc-qPqkxCsU

[Robsta]

Never would use it tbh...Too much hassle when it's not needed ....by me anyhow...

[Zara-Leoni]

Originally Posted by weeman

i would defo use it if i got my hands on it as i dont see it as any different what so ever to site injecting.

Bri.... please dont.... you dont need it! You have no areas that are particularly weak and my personal opinion (not based on fact just on what I have seen) is that long term it may do harm.

I know someone whom I believe used it, I never asked about it, but a certain muscle group didnt look or feel right to me at all, and it caused an imbalance, plus rumour has it that it was used extensively to enhance their strongest "trademark" feature, and now years down the line, that area is smaller and will no longer grow....

Might all be bullsh!t, but fact is the area they were so known for is now not there and something doesnt look or feel right....

Originally Posted by hackskii

As con suggested it stretches out the fascia.
But that can become some what of a problem too.

What is fascia?
It is the sheathing that cover's the muscle.
It is cell for cell stronger than steel.
most fascia is in the calves due to weight bearing loads.

Think of the fascia as like a pillow case with a pillow in it.
If you were to add another pillow (hypertrophy) into the pillow case, it would max out the size of the pillow. Even adding in another pillow wont change the size at this point.

So, how is the fascia stretched?
For one you can stretch a pumped stretched muscle, there you will find some success but this success is the most ballanced and makes by far the most sense.

It can be stretched using SEO too.
It will work and if done correctly it should look pretty cool.
If not done correctly, you can get undulations, or like bubbles. That maybe from someone that is in a bit of a hurry....lol

But, SEO offers nothing in regards to strength, only size, and to be perfictally honest, I would suggest that due to the fascia being stretched less support would actually be there to be of benefit.
Fascia gives support, that is why the most is in the calves, stretching that out would be in my opinion counterproductive.

Not to mention, lets say your arms are 18 and you want them 19 inches.
Now they are 19 inches, and 20 inch arms are well, arms in the 20's, so you get rolling and then think bigger is better.

It is actually used to bump up sagging or lagging bodyparts to make the body look symetrical, and for this purpose, I think it is a great idea.
But, I would suggest you would need to know what you are doing, for instance there is 3 heads to the tricep, hitting them in the right spot and not making the tricep look jacked would be an art. All heads would have to be hit independantly.

Is a good post Scott.... yes - it has a place in enhancing lagging areas as you say, and the info is interesting.... as I wrote above though.... I wonder about the long term effects.....?

There is a numpty in Glasgow has calf and bicep implants, used to train in the gym I worked in.... looked ridiculous beyond belief!!!

Originally Posted by Robsta

Never would use it tbh...Too much hassle when it's not needed ....by me anyhow...

You dont need it either babe.... no part of your physique or shape is weak or lagging... its all there so dont change it.

[laurie g]

very informative max muscle reps for you this is a taboo subject which you have shed a great deal of light on- well done

[MasterBlaster]

Originally Posted by laurie g

very informative max muscle reps for you this is a taboo subject which you have shed a great deal of light on- well done

I figured there would be a little contraversy over this subject so thank you laurie, I wanted everyones opinions on the matter but I relize how taboo it is in the BB world. I made sure to run it by Hack before so upper management didn't boot me for it.
I appriciate all of the responces we have gotten on this and keep it comming whether its positive or negative.

[MasterBlaster]

Thanks for the reps Con, greatly appriciated...
My PM wouldn't go through for you

[Prodiver]

I happen to know a number of hardcore guys who have SEO injections.

I can assure you that if done correctly and dispersed throughout the muscle even quite large amounts are absolutely undetectable.

In fact the muscle fasciae are rarely significantly stretched but, interestingly, guys report they can lift heavier weights for higher reps as the muscle is so well lubricated, so they make better gains.

[Robsta]

I've only met 3 guys who have used it and can honestly say, it doesn't look good....looks as though the muscle is swollen rather than enlarged....doesn't seem to be the definition....
I'm not saying that's how it is in general, but that's the only experiences I've seen of it first hand....I know they all regret using it also.
It's probably for those reasons I wouldn't do it.....I just never intend to be a serious competitior, so don't see the need for myself tbh......

[MasterBlaster]

Originally Posted by Robsta

I've only met 3 guys who have used it and can honestly say, it doesn't look good....looks as though the muscle is swollen rather than enlarged....doesn't seem to be the definition....
I'm not saying that's how it is in general, but that's the only experiences I've seen of it first hand....I know they all regret using it also.
It's probably for those reasons I wouldn't do it.....I just never intend to be a serious competitior, so don't see the need for myself tbh......

Robsta- I can see why you wouldn't use it your already f*cking huge, I think that alot of it would depend on how they used it and what kind as well. I am not sing it but at some point I might. For now I will stick with AAS and try to get to where I wan't to be. If i have areas after that then I will contemplate using it then.

[Prodiver]

Originally Posted by Robsta

I've only met 3 guys who have used it and can honestly say, it doesn't look good....looks as though the muscle is swollen rather than enlarged....doesn't seem to be the definition....
I'm not saying that's how it is in general, but that's the only experiences I've seen of it first hand....I know they all regret using it also.
It's probably for those reasons I wouldn't do it.....I just never intend to be a serious competitior, so don't see the need for myself tbh......

Well, since most guys' injection technique seems so iffy, I suspect that most who use SEO obtain poor results, as you say Robsta.

[iveyAg]

well i have learned a lot today, that is good. What an excellent thread.

[hackskii]

Originally Posted by Prodiver

Well, since most guys' injection technique seems so iffy, I suspect that most who use SEO obtain poor results, as you say Robsta.

Are you a paramedic diver?