Insulin how good? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

rhino1 · 11-09-2008, 02:31 PM

i have previous cycles using steroids behind me but am now looking into the use of insulin.
how good is insulin in bulking , imean can you compare it to gains that you could get of test if used properly.

can anyone give me an idea of what the use of insulin will do to the body if on a bulk again whether its used with steroids or not.

cheers for help

**robdog** · 11-09-2008, 02:50 PM

Insulin can be very effective indeed when bulking but its not to be messed with and research is the key because if missused you can get fat or even die.

kingprop · 13-09-2008, 04:10 PM

Before starting insulin id use metformin (Glucophage) Its a tablet given to type 2 diabetics that makes body tissues more sensitive to the insulin the pancreas produces. Its safer and much easier to get along with.

Andy1972 · 13-09-2008, 05:03 PM

what exactlly is metformin and is it used post workout like slin?

kingprop · 14-09-2008, 11:52 PM

Type one diabetics have no insulin production from the pancreas and require insulin from injection or pump. Type two have either insufficient insulin production, or have so much body tissue that the insulin released isnt enough (obesity and some bodybuilders) - therefore leaving blood glucose levels higher than normal. Metformin Hcl (Glucophage) makes tissues more sensitive to insulin. More sensitive body tissues means more uptake of nutrients.

PWO, or with each meal is good.

**Aftershock** · 15-09-2008, 04:51 PM

^^^^ and the increase in insulin sensitivity only happens in muscle cells not fat cells

Beans · 15-09-2008, 06:53 PM

^Thats somthing I didn't know.

Scottswald · 15-09-2008, 10:57 PM

where can you get this?
what are typical gains for gaining mass?
any links to the subject?

15-09-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottswald

where can you get this?
what are typical gains for gaining mass?
any links to the subject?

TBF its a drug for advanced lifters mate just because its safer than slin it does not mean it can be used willy nilly.....

King prop what is the average dose per kg?

Tall · 16-09-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottswald

where can you get this?
what are typical gains for gaining mass?
any links to the subject?

Scott - I've not tried Glucophage, but I've used Chromium and Vanadyl which are both GDAs (Glucose Disposal Agents) - just like Glucophage is.

I need to start checking my BGL more. Keep an eye on my log if you are interested and I'll try and update that more more regularly...

kingprop · 17-09-2008, 11:16 AM

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/metformi_ids.htm

The above is obviously concerning diabetics, not bodybuilders but personally ive seen great effects on 1500mgs/d. 500mgs after my three main meals. Whilst im happy with this dose I wont increase it.

Ive noticed a loss in bodyfat and also a loss of the tiredness I usually feel especially after lunch-time. There's an added fullness to muscles and definitely a feeling of well being; I just feel better within myself. Appetite has increased also.

joeyh1485 · 18-09-2008, 07:41 PM

I think i read some were that it slows down the intake of carbs? Kingprop would that affect your post wo meal? As you want carb intake to be quick

kingprop · 20-09-2008, 01:36 PM

Well I wouldnt take it whilst dieting. It does decrease glucose production and sugar absorption so immediate PWO, looking for an insulin type hit, wouldnt be prudent but then I dont even use insulin PWO like that anymore. With PWO meal ~1-2 hours after the gym I cant forsee a problem unless carb restricting at other times.

joeyh1485 · 20-09-2008, 01:40 PM

cheers mate very interesting
I am in no way shape or form ready for this drug I just find the subject interesting

pauly7582 · 20-09-2008, 09:53 PM

along with a regular cycle like some test and Dbol. insulin was the most anabolic substance I've ever used. was only 4 weeks as well.

11-09-2008, 02:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
rhino1 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8	Insulin how good? i have previous cycles using steroids behind me but am now looking into the use of insulin. how good is insulin in bulking , imean can you compare it to gains that you could get of test if used properly. can anyone give me an idea of what the use of insulin will do to the body if on a bulk again whether its used with steroids or not. cheers for help

11-09-2008, 02:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
robdog UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Home!! Posts: 6,439	Re: Insulin how good? Insulin can be very effective indeed when bulking but its not to be messed with and research is the key because if missused you can get fat or even die.

13-09-2008, 04:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
kingprop Gym Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Lothian Posts: 385	Re: Insulin how good? Before starting insulin id use metformin (Glucophage) Its a tablet given to type 2 diabetics that makes body tissues more sensitive to the insulin the pancreas produces. Its safer and much easier to get along with.

13-09-2008, 05:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Andy1972 Gym Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 116	Re: Insulin how good? what exactlly is metformin and is it used post workout like slin?

14-09-2008, 11:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
kingprop Gym Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Lothian Posts: 385	Re: Insulin how good? Type one diabetics have no insulin production from the pancreas and require insulin from injection or pump. Type two have either insufficient insulin production, or have so much body tissue that the insulin released isnt enough (obesity and some bodybuilders) - therefore leaving blood glucose levels higher than normal. Metformin Hcl (Glucophage) makes tissues more sensitive to insulin. More sensitive body tissues means more uptake of nutrients. PWO, or with each meal is good.

15-09-2008, 04:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
Aftershock UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,267	Re: Insulin how good? ^^^^ and the increase in insulin sensitivity only happens in muscle cells not fat cells

15-09-2008, 06:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
Beans Like a Fridge - Only Bigger Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 650	Re: Insulin how good? ^Thats somthing I didn't know.

15-09-2008, 10:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Scottswald Apprentice Beast Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newcastle Posts: 548	Re: Insulin how good? where can you get this? what are typical gains for gaining mass? any links to the subject?

17-09-2008, 11:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
kingprop Gym Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Lothian Posts: 385	Re: Insulin how good? http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/metformi_ids.htm The above is obviously concerning diabetics, not bodybuilders but personally ive seen great effects on 1500mgs/d. 500mgs after my three main meals. Whilst im happy with this dose I wont increase it. Ive noticed a loss in bodyfat and also a loss of the tiredness I usually feel especially after lunch-time. There's an added fullness to muscles and definitely a feeling of well being; I just feel better within myself. Appetite has increased also.

18-09-2008, 07:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
joeyh1485 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,645	Re: Insulin how good? I think i read some were that it slows down the intake of carbs? Kingprop would that affect your post wo meal? As you want carb intake to be quick

20-09-2008, 01:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
kingprop Gym Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Lothian Posts: 385	Re: Insulin how good? Well I wouldnt take it whilst dieting. It does decrease glucose production and sugar absorption so immediate PWO, looking for an insulin type hit, wouldnt be prudent but then I dont even use insulin PWO like that anymore. With PWO meal ~1-2 hours after the gym I cant forsee a problem unless carb restricting at other times.

20-09-2008, 01:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
joeyh1485 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,645	Re: Insulin how good? cheers mate very interesting I am in no way shape or form ready for this drug I just find the subject interesting

20-09-2008, 09:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
pauly7582 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Newcastle Posts: 2,122	Re: Insulin how good? along with a regular cycle like some test and Dbol. insulin was the most anabolic substance I've ever used. was only 4 weeks as well.

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