Insulin how good?

[noone75]

I've used metformin with good results, especially if U combine it with kreatin.
I've also used insulin...I was a dumb*ss and didn't know U were supposed to shake the pen before using it...so it very nearly killed me, no telling how many IU's I took.

[kingprop]

Originally Posted by hilly2008

So kingprop for some1 who is looking to use insulin for the first time what method/dosage/food types etc would you recommend to get the maximum benefit while being as safe as possible.

I have been researching slin for a while and will continue to research until maybe this time next year when i may look at trying some.

Ive read all the articles on here and else were so any inout is much aprreciated.

Pick two main meals which incorporate low GI foods (brown rice, w/meal pasta, whole protein foods, salad) have dilute protein shake with it adding in some powdered oats, and start with 2ius.

[DB]

Great thread guys..

Kingprop..

what are your veiws on fats and slin

[supercell]

Originally Posted by kingprop

James. Firstly best of luck to you in a few weeks mate. Hope you arent putting your mind through too much un-needed stuff.

I hear what you are saying here. Fat cells being easily made but not possible to rid, only shrink. Unless you have lipo obviously, but what about the 'state' Lee priest et al get themselves into in the off season, and then the condition they can present themselves in on stage?

I know Mr. Ruhl (my other fave BB'er) has had problems condition wise in the past, perhaps explaining his 'retirement' but do you think once the fat cells are there (and as ive speculated, probably only through over consumption of high GI carbs around insulin/hypo fear time) that it would be impossible for those you describe to obtain circa 3% bodyfat once fat levels are increased so much?

But where does Priest always come unstuck? In his back and glutes and to a degree his quads. Although he is without doubt one of the best BBers the world has seen he never gets these areas really hard. Now IMO that was to do with his early days of bulking up to a rediculous weight. These fat cells were laid down and now cant be shifted.
He has learnt that this approach is not the best and now stays far leaner off season (plus he has to fit into his racing cars!!)

Ruhl is another guy who although massive is never shredded. Is this because of slin use, who knows, it could just because he tries to play the size game and never really gets right down and strict on his dieting.

You have to remember I am being really picky here. These 2 guys I have mentioned are far better than I would or could ever be, but I think with a more sensible approach off season both could have/would display crisper looks come contest time.

There is no place for slin when dieting..NO PLACE!! Some use it to slip into ketosis more quickly but for me they are asking for trouble....Slipping into a coma could be more akin to the results you are likely to achieve.

J

[supercell]

Originally Posted by jjb1

ive thought of that once a week on a body part thing before

would you just do pwo shot or through the day with meals as you mention a refeed day

I think both could work well. The only concern is having to eat clean all day on a refeed approach if the second protocol is adopted. I for one like to have a clean refeed but I will also have my cheat on this day too, and shuttling the insane amount of fats I stick away at that one meal would be very detrimental to my conditioning.

For me it would probably be 5ius slin/25mcgs IGF after cardio pre meal 1 and then 10iu slin/10ius GH PWO, eating clean up to and including 5 hours after the last shot combo, then hit the cheat meal big stylee in the evening when all is well out of the system.

J

[supercell]

Originally Posted by DB

Great thread guys..

Kingprop..

what are your veiws on fats and slin

Sorry to Hijack.

Clean fats in moderation (EFA's) are fine, its the trans and sat fats I would stay clear of like the plague. Just make sure you dont take in any bad fats around your shot and for around 3 hours after to give the slin a chance for clearance (remember here I am talking about fast acting slin, Novorapid, humalog etc, not the background slow release stuff taken once a day)

J

[Delhi]

As some of you know I dabbled in slin earlier in the year, now i am not saying slin is not effective etc but my experience was NOT a good one.

First time I took it all went well (4iu), no problems. Second time I went hypo (Started seeing blurred, panic etc). Third time same again (hypo). That was the last time I tried teh stuff and will be teh last time I try teh stuff.

Sorry but I want to live and see my kids grow up....................

I am possibly one of unfortunate guys who is extra sensitive I dont know, but my protocol was 100% spot on on all 3 occasions.

I will just have to achieve my goals without the use of slin.

I was once told that if you can still gain fat in the offseason you are not ready for slin...........might be "Some" truth in that.

[Tinytom]

James let me offer a rebuff to your theory.

I cant be completely sure (of slin use) obviously but Dorian got pretty big in off season and he was always diced.

I could probably think of a few more but maybe its just down to genetics in terms of that.

[DB]

just bumping this as its a great thread

[kingprop]

Originally Posted by supercell

I think both could work well. The only concern is having to eat clean all day on a refeed approach if the second protocol is adopted.

J

But if only augmenting your own insulin release by say 2-4ius at each meal would the meal have to be that clean? Obviously it wouldnt be prudent to eat a fry up, but just more of the good stuff you were going to eat; or even just the same with more being taken up? The pancreas will release only so much in response to the blood sugar rise from the meal, then the exogenous 'little extra' extends this.

Take a metformin tablet too and you have a situation more suited to muscle gain and not fat. Plus the metformin will keep blood fats low in its action, and lower LDL cholesterol.

[kingprop]

Originally Posted by Delhi

As some of you know I dabbled in slin earlier in the year, now i am not saying slin is not effective etc but my experience was NOT a good one.

First time I took it all went well (4iu), no problems. Second time I went hypo (Started seeing blurred, panic etc). Third time same again (hypo). That was the last time I tried teh stuff and will be teh last time I try teh stuff.

Sorry but I want to live and see my kids grow up....................

I am possibly one of unfortunate guys who is extra sensitive I dont know, but my protocol was 100% spot on on all 3 occasions.

I will just have to achieve my goals without the use of slin.

I was once told that if you can still gain fat in the offseason you are not ready for slin...........might be "Some" truth in that.

Was it PWO slin and/or AM slin though mate? Taking slin at times of low blood sugar is when most have problems. Try letting your pancreas do its work first, then you do your extra after.

[Aftershock]

^^^^ So out of curiosity how long after your meal will you assume you have released your natural slin and bump the little extra in?

[DB]

Originally Posted by Aftershock

^^^^ So out of curiosity how long after your meal will you assume you have released your natural slin and bump the little extra in?

yeah nice question.. so eg

Lunch: 200g chicken 80g brown rice, 5g oil and mixed veg. finished eating by 1pm exactly

what would be your protocol with this mate?

[Pscarb]

i have heard this theory of some fats can be eaten whilst others cannot now i eat clean when i use slin but what i cannot work out is how the injected slin knows to shuttle some fats and not others??

[Tinytom]

Originally Posted by Pscarb

i have heard this theory of some fats can be eaten whilst others cannot now i eat clean when i use slin but what i cannot work out is how the injected slin knows to shuttle some fats and not others??

Nanites.


Dont you watch star trek? Theres these little robots that the borg use to inject people and they travel round the body and Borgalise them.

They know where to go.

So......Nanites is my guess.

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