HGH or IGF3 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

TaintedSoul · 25-02-2008, 12:23 PM

Probably asked this before but not got a clear answer and hopefully some others can get something from this.

ok....

I know HGH is not a great mass builder but what about IGF3. And can you run IGF3 as long as HGH?

Basically would it be a good idea to whilst on a course run IGF3 and then when off perhaps runn HGH?

What I want to get out of either is growth of new cells. Always feel steroids just make the ones I got bigger which then can just as easily get smaller. I dont feel mother nature gave me enough during puberty!! Would like to build a better foundation to work on. Look for growth of new muscle fibres, size growth and maintain as much in between. And not looking to mess with direct insulin injection.

Kezz · 25-02-2008, 12:29 PM

i have always used igf in pct, i think the max you should use igf for is 50 days, if you were to use gh i would use it whilst on your course although you really need to be on it for a few months to notice anything

**Pscarb** · 25-02-2008, 05:46 PM

neither is a good mass builder...

GH needs to be run a decent dose for a decent time to produce any mass which comes from the converted to IGF-1 in the liver, you can stay on GH for as long as you can afford in fact the results are better the longer you stay on it.

IGF-1LR3 is a slightly altered version of IGF-1 and much more effective but the mass results from a standard IGF-1LR3 cycle would be 1-2lbs at best and that is if everything was optimum for muscle growth then the 1-2lbs would be immature muscle cells and would take time through steroid use to mature in size....
Unlike GH IGF-1LR3 has to be cycled as the IGF-1 receptors get saturated and the use of the peptide becomes redundant so time off the peptide is needed to refresh the receptors.

TaintedSoul · 25-02-2008, 06:05 PM

Cheers for the good reply mate.

Then I suppose I'll just run some GH then and see how that goes. If nothing other than I sleep better and loose some fat.

**Pscarb** · 26-02-2008, 10:13 AM

well to confuse you even more IGF-1LR3 has fat burning properties as well, the major difference is that you do not feel anything significant on GH the results just happen but on IGF-1LR3 you get an insane pump whilst on it.

fugi2000 · 26-02-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pscarb

well to confuse you even more IGF-1LR3 has fat burning properties as well, the major difference is that you do not feel anything significant on GH the results just happen but on IGF-1LR3 you get an insane pump whilst on it.

Bit surprised you said that, I'm on gh at 5iu 6 days a week and my muscles feel fuller and harder, and get good pumps. not taking any steroids, running igf 4 days a week at 80mcg, Ifeel like I'm on steroids with this combo. After doing gear for 2 years without any breaks (stupid I know), this is the most perfect pct for me

**Pscarb** · 27-02-2008, 01:06 PM

so you are running IGF-1LR3 as well then?

fugi2000 · 27-02-2008, 01:35 PM

yep, igtropin which is very good depite you not rating it, ordered omegas because its too expensive though

**Pscarb** · 27-02-2008, 02:00 PM

i never said it was useless i said i prefered other brands plus mixed with the fluid it comes with you have to use it within 24hrs or it starts to degrade sterile water does not keep IGF-1 for long.

My point is that the fullness you are feeling is probably from the IGF-1LR3 and not the GH as i stated above the main difference between the 2 is with GH you do not feel much where as with IGF-1LR3 you feel full as a house with extreme pumps....

fugi2000 · 28-02-2008, 09:47 AM

yeah you're right, my fullness has gone down a bit since my last shot of igf 3 days ago. But GH does a decent job of raising your red blood cells, have you noticed any difference in fullness from gh when running big doses?

**Pscarb** · 28-02-2008, 12:43 PM

you do get fullness as i mentioned the effect is not as much as IGF-1LR3 in fact you cannot compare it to the pump/fullness from IGF-1LR3 and i have used big doses of GH.

TaintedSoul · 29-02-2008, 06:17 PM

So this fullness is just temporary and goes away as soon as you stop?

**Pscarb** · 29-02-2008, 09:32 PM

you get some fullness from both GH and IGF-1LR3 although from IGF-1LR3 is much more intense and yes both will stop soon after you stop the peptide...

dean c · 29-02-2008, 10:25 PM

ps carb,how high have been with th gh and was it worth it?

ymir · 29-02-2008, 11:00 PM

OT but I wonder if anyone has experienced extra local growth at IGF injection sites, my pectoralis is really lacking compared to rest of my body and im thinking about if i should go with IGF 3 times / week 25mcg in each pec every training session, no matter if i train pecs or not.

If it works or not, it would prolly be a interesting cycle log.

25-02-2008, 12:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
TaintedSoul The resident dirty Saffir! Join Date: May 2007 Location: 69 Axe wound mile Posts: 3,693	HGH or IGF3 Probably asked this before but not got a clear answer and hopefully some others can get something from this. ok.... I know HGH is not a great mass builder but what about IGF3. And can you run IGF3 as long as HGH? Basically would it be a good idea to whilst on a course run IGF3 and then when off perhaps runn HGH? What I want to get out of either is growth of new cells. Always feel steroids just make the ones I got bigger which then can just as easily get smaller. I dont feel mother nature gave me enough during puberty!! Would like to build a better foundation to work on. Look for growth of new muscle fibres, size growth and maintain as much in between. And not looking to mess with direct insulin injection. __________________ _________________________________________________ There's those that do, and those that don't, Those that will, and those that won't, Those that can, and those that can't. ..... Dont be a loser!! ....

25-02-2008, 12:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kezz Getting HUGE! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Wales Posts: 2,341	Re: HGH or IGF3 i have always used igf in pct, i think the max you should use igf for is 50 days, if you were to use gh i would use it whilst on your course although you really need to be on it for a few months to notice anything __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

25-02-2008, 05:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,522	Re: HGH or IGF3 neither is a good mass builder... GH needs to be run a decent dose for a decent time to produce any mass which comes from the converted to IGF-1 in the liver, you can stay on GH for as long as you can afford in fact the results are better the longer you stay on it. IGF-1LR3 is a slightly altered version of IGF-1 and much more effective but the mass results from a standard IGF-1LR3 cycle would be 1-2lbs at best and that is if everything was optimum for muscle growth then the 1-2lbs would be immature muscle cells and would take time through steroid use to mature in size.... Unlike GH IGF-1LR3 has to be cycled as the IGF-1 receptors get saturated and the use of the peptide becomes redundant so time off the peptide is needed to refresh the receptors. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage Last edited by Pscarb; 25-02-2008 at 05:51 PM.

25-02-2008, 06:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
TaintedSoul The resident dirty Saffir! Join Date: May 2007 Location: 69 Axe wound mile Posts: 3,693	Re: HGH or IGF3 Cheers for the good reply mate. Then I suppose I'll just run some GH then and see how that goes. If nothing other than I sleep better and loose some fat. __________________ _________________________________________________ There's those that do, and those that don't, Those that will, and those that won't, Those that can, and those that can't. ..... Dont be a loser!! ....

26-02-2008, 10:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,522	Re: HGH or IGF3 well to confuse you even more IGF-1LR3 has fat burning properties as well, the major difference is that you do not feel anything significant on GH the results just happen but on IGF-1LR3 you get an insane pump whilst on it. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

27-02-2008, 01:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,522	Re: HGH or IGF3 so you are running IGF-1LR3 as well then? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

27-02-2008, 01:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
fugi2000 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 70	Re: HGH or IGF3 yep, igtropin which is very good depite you not rating it, ordered omegas because its too expensive though

27-02-2008, 02:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,522	Re: HGH or IGF3 i never said it was useless i said i prefered other brands plus mixed with the fluid it comes with you have to use it within 24hrs or it starts to degrade sterile water does not keep IGF-1 for long. My point is that the fullness you are feeling is probably from the IGF-1LR3 and not the GH as i stated above the main difference between the 2 is with GH you do not feel much where as with IGF-1LR3 you feel full as a house with extreme pumps.... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

28-02-2008, 09:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
fugi2000 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 70	Re: HGH or IGF3 yeah you're right, my fullness has gone down a bit since my last shot of igf 3 days ago. But GH does a decent job of raising your red blood cells, have you noticed any difference in fullness from gh when running big doses?

28-02-2008, 12:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,522	Re: HGH or IGF3 you do get fullness as i mentioned the effect is not as much as IGF-1LR3 in fact you cannot compare it to the pump/fullness from IGF-1LR3 and i have used big doses of GH. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

29-02-2008, 06:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
TaintedSoul The resident dirty Saffir! Join Date: May 2007 Location: 69 Axe wound mile Posts: 3,693	Re: HGH or IGF3 So this fullness is just temporary and goes away as soon as you stop? __________________ _________________________________________________ There's those that do, and those that don't, Those that will, and those that won't, Those that can, and those that can't. ..... Dont be a loser!! ....

29-02-2008, 09:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,522	Re: HGH or IGF3 you get some fullness from both GH and IGF-1LR3 although from IGF-1LR3 is much more intense and yes both will stop soon after you stop the peptide... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

29-02-2008, 10:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
dean c Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 200	Re: HGH or IGF3 ps carb,how high have been with th gh and was it worth it?

29-02-2008, 11:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
ymir Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 174	Re: HGH or IGF3 OT but I wonder if anyone has experienced extra local growth at IGF injection sites, my pectoralis is really lacking compared to rest of my body and im thinking about if i should go with IGF 3 times / week 25mcg in each pec every training session, no matter if i train pecs or not. If it works or not, it would prolly be a interesting cycle log.

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