omega igf1 lr3.....

[jjb1]

:( i have been using omega igf1 lr3 for 3 weeks now as i dropped off sus n deca and was using prop npp and now just prop every day, basically i have done nothing but loose weight from 15.10.8 to this morning 15.2! unless my scales are packing up after 2 months im very doughtfull of this omega igf1 i also recieved my bottles unlabbled as they claimed customs seized there labels???? ive used igf1 a few times now never thought it was a mirracle but its better than this!

anyone else unhappy with the new omega batches:confused:

[Pscarb]

can i ask what you expect from a peptide that at best will give you 1-2lbs and this will not be straight away??

I would imagine going from your last lot of pics that the weight you have dropped is water weight nothing more nothing less...

I am currently using the Omega IGF i am getting some insane pumps which is all you can expect whilst on the stuff it is much later when the weight would appear after the new muscle has matured...

[jjb1]

well from people i know who use it they seem to at least hold a little size while on a good dosage of igf1, its almost like its anti catabolic with the weight falling off me last week i rushed through coming off with prop ed surely this would hold water? as thats more test than 2 sus a week....

im just a bit disheartened as no matter what i do i struggle to hold any gains on the end of a cycle and igf1 isnt cheap

as for mature muscle developing would this happen in the tiome span they suggest you to use it 4 to 5 weeks seems a general rule but as im only doing 4 days a week i was hoping to stretch 6 weeks maybe?

im shooting 120mcg bi latterlaly in delts or arms 20mins pre work out taken with a energy drink does this sound ok ?

[Kezz]

i generally do 80-100 every day when i pct, the water weight will deffo come off you when you drop the gear but i think igf just helps you hold on to muscle (not the actual weight increase) that you have gained, i would have thought it would take quite a few weeks or even months to notice any muscle growth from igf

[Pscarb]

Kezz is correct it will take months to actually see ant muscle from IGF what the guys you have spoken to are seeing is better fullness and pumps this is all...

Because you have come of the longer tests then i can understand the drop in weight, IGF is anti-Catabolic in its nature as it builds muscle cells not destroys them but i think what you are losing is water not muscle...do you still get the pumps..??
the other explanation is that your receptors are saturated which does and can happen after a short peroid.

i love it when guys say "you can only stay on IGF for 4 weeks then nothing happens" this is BS the length of time on IGF is down to receptor saturation so if you are using it ED at 100mcg+ then 3-5 weeks in my opinion is a max time i have found better long term results doing it at 80mcg's 2days on 2days off or just on training days in my eyes their is no need to go above 100mcg's a day

[jjb1]

im doing 120mcg 2 days on 1 off 2 days on 2 off done 100mcg many times 1st time was the best but i generally have aroung 6 weeks imbetween igf1 use.

change of subject but i seen you in a 2006 muscle mag the other day lol! looked alot smaller paul youve gained good size in a year

[Pscarb]

I think you should consider taking a longer peroid off i normally go on for 6 weeks then off for 10 i always get a really good run on the IGF doing it this way...

Yes mate in 2006 i competed without gear as me and the wife was trying for our son i gained 16lbs from the 2006 west britain to the 2007 west britain....

[Kezz]

Originally Posted by Pscarb

I think you should consider taking a longer peroid off i normally go on for 6 weeks then off for 10 i always get a really good run on the IGF doing it this way...

Yes mate in 2006 i competed without gear as me and the wife was trying for our son i gained 16lbs from the 2006 west britain to the 2007 west britain....

Thats good going!!

[Pscarb]

yes mate but i don't think i will be making that sort of jump the next time i compete...

[jjb1]

its many done like i said as i use it when i drop slin and ive used slin 2 or 3 times now i think basically this year thats it, i also back off on hgh when i use igf1 mainly because of the overal cost though

thanks for your info though and i did get a great pump in my biceps last night so that was good i feel strong too which ive never noticed before not sure if thats igf1

[supercell]

I find I drop weight when I take IGF alone. I haven't used any for around 8 months and am just starting today with 50mcgs daily on non training days and 100 on training days (3xper week) Also I am taking GH, test and tri tren as part of a 3-4 week rebound course but with very moderate carbs but increased fats and protein (see my prep thread)

I find the gains come later for sure. I used whilst off AAS for 5 months (30 day course) and lost weight whilst using (got leaner altho eating more) but when i went back on again I gained over 20lbs in 7 weeks on a very modest course indeed. Since 2005 I have gained over 20lbs of lean muscle and altho a lot of this can be attributed to diet, I also think that igf has played its part. I'll be running this cycle for 30 days.

My weight is around 13st 10lbs in the mornings at the moment so it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks and more importantly when I start 'proper' dieting again after xmas. 1-2lbs gain would be most welcome by the time I step on stage at the end of Feb 2008.

J

[jjb1]

you used it in your 1st cycle didnt you prop tren var as you wanted all out size...

as a general rule how do you do time on to time off igf1?

seems to be good for you anyways do you think it has helped develop your arms and delts to the size they are today as you dont even train them now

i ask this because i belive this is fav spots for igf1 site injections (arms n delts)

best of luck with the arnold too i really hope your on top your game youll be a majour threat even there ;-)

[supercell]

No mate just did my ass, lats and thighs. Not a great believer in this localised growth TBH with igf. Now MGF does show promise tho.

The longest I have done is 30 days. Earlier this year I did one 20 day and then one 30 day cycle both with 100mcgs ED.

This time I am halving the dose on non training days and adding in GH to the mix. Nothing really scientific about my approach just as long as it goes in regularly. I tend to shoot on non training days just after my 45 mins cardio and before my 100g of oats with meal 1 or post training with my 60g of vitargo and will be shooting mainly in my lats and thighs (Bi-laterally of course). I think as a nutrient shuttle it can work well.

As I am on moderate carbs (250-300g) and high fat (130-150g) / highish protein (330g), it will be interesting to see how this changes its effectiveness (if at all) and whether I suffer from more mild hypo's.

General rule is 3-4 weeks on and 4-6 weeks off but different people respond in different ways and where one person may saturate fairly quickly another may be able to use for 8 weeks on a day on day off protocol. Experimentation is the only way forward for each individual. I just shoot every day so I remember. If I had to do EOD I know I would forget and the whole course would go pear shaped!!!

J

[Nytol]

Originally Posted by supercell

No mate just did my ass, lats and thighs. Not a great believer in this localised growth TBH with igf. Now MGF does show promise tho.

I think you should give the local growth a chance, with the GH too, shooting IM is better anyway, so why not put it somewhere useful?

Your chest is one of your weaker areas, so put all your peptide shots in the pecs, from my experience, you could certainly make noticeable improvements (above and beyond training), by the time of the Arnold.

I've had very decent local growth from GH/Slin this year, and have just last week added in IGF for the 1st time, so far I like it a lot, (TBH I was not expecting much short term), but Slin+IGF is a definite hypo machine, lol.

I know a few guys who have used MGF, all have been very disappointed with the results.

[jjb1]

whats you ratio and method with igf1 slin...

i read that igf1 makes you more responsive to slin so to not use so much as gh slin,it wasnt my words and i have never tried slin igf1

i know someone who speaks to dorian yates he seems to think he did everything in 1 go slin igf1 hgh....but rumors do get bigger with time lol!