Methods i have used

[Pscarb]

There are alot of methods out there for the use of GH and other peptides.
GH
As we all know by now there is no ONE best way to use GH as we are all different and therefore react differently, I have tried most methods and cannot really see much diffrence between the methods when we are talking about GH alone.
I am trying a new method at the moment where you take your whole weekly dose in one shot on a Sunday night with a small top up on the Thursday night, The theory is that by injecting a massive amount of gh exogenous you will stimulate a huge natural release to follow as sort of a rebound effect. There is some thought that a huge dose will taper off rapidly leaving you in a valley that the body will try to recover from by release more of your natural gh to compensate.
I have been doing this for three weeks and i am holding both my weight and condition although i have been on PCT for 5 weeks.....
so if you are taking 4iu's ed then on a Sunday night you take 24iu's then on Thursday take 4iu's top up.

There are other similar methods that have you using a large amount every 3rd day the key to both theory's is that you do not raise your weekly amount you just jab it all in one shot or split it into 2-3 shots.
So for this method you would split the 28iu's(4iu's ed) into 2-3 shots taken through the week.
both these methods are mainly used for mass more than fat-burning although you will get some fat burning from both methods.
In my opinion the best way to use GH for fat-loss is to use ed injections....

Probably the most common is 4iu's ed or Mon - Fri when i have used this method i prefer Am injections over PM or PWO injections mainly because this fits in with my work day but i do see a little more fat lass from ed am injections.

I would always say that for a new starter to GH using an amount no less than 4iu's ed is needed for a time period no less than 3 months i and many others have had good results from this method.
I will say that if you are expecting massive muscle gains or dramatic fat loss from GH at this dose then you will be dissapointed....

GH/Slin
Now i am by no way advocating that anybody uses Slin as you really need to understand both how slin works and how your body reacts to carbs so that you do not risk your health.

The best way i have found to use these two together is to inject both in the same pin Intramuscular PWO bilaterally the results i got where nothing short of amazing again the theory behind this method is that the GH and Slin create a huge IGF-1 release when taken together and because of the very short half life of IGF-1 PWO is by far the best time to take them.

Guys i am not saying you should use these methods but for you to realise that there are more than one way to build muscle, the good thing is that in the first two methods you don't use any more GH than you normally would you just use the amount in a different way....

IGF-1LR3
It makes me really annoyed that alot of guys are using this peptide as a way of side stepping using steroids don't misunderstand i am not advocating the use of steroids but i really believe that IGF-1LR3 is an advanced peptide that should be used by those who have reached a certain level with steroids....sorry about the rant...

Again i have trailed alot of methods over the 2yrs i have used this peptide the biggest issue with this peptide is the duration of its use unlike GH where the results are better the longer you use it IGF-1LR3 can only be used for a short time of between 4-8 weeks due to cells saturation.

For beginners 20 - 50mcg's 5 days a week is a good place to start because you are using it nearly every day 5 weeks is pretty much as long as you can use this method without the gains stopping this method the injections should be taken bi-laterally PWO.

For the more advanced Bodybuilder i have found the best method is a higher amount less frequently the method i have just tried with good results is 120mcg's split through the day 2 days on 2 days off this method can be used for longer periods as the cell saturation does not occur as quickly as using IGF-1LR3 ed......

Any questions guys feel free to ask.....

[big]

Paul, did you notice any difference in side effects from the different methods of running the GH? In particular, following the main sunday (24iu) dosage was everything ok?

[Pscarb]

i did notice more stiffness in my hands and feet the day after along with a pronounced fullness and pump for 2 days...i would imagine that the sides would be alot more if i had not been using GH for over a year though.
i am on PCT at the moment i reckon the method would be better used whilst on cycle.

[N4CER]

Hi Paul the slin/gh method, do you still have a protien carb drink after the injection?
If so when do you take the next protien carb meal/drink to compensate the insulin spike?

[Pscarb]

i have my PWO shake 20min after the injection then 60 - 90 min later i have a carb protein meal

[misterC]

Trying to find the best way to use these things gets incredibly complicated,even if you're only trying to find the way that works best for you.
There are loads of free downloads to be had from pubmed to be had,which is always a good idea as things like age and bodyfat levels change the way different people will react to stuff like GH,and levels of IGF-1 and it's binding proteins produced by GH use.
About the only thing I've come across that applies equally is that bodyfat tends to bind GH,so as Paul mentioned,if you're after the anabolic effects,it's better to take it IM,as this will keep higher levels available to the muscles for longer.

[gym rat]

hey paul. i was chatting to you last week on another thread about the slin, i told you i was 20% bf which was calculated 3weeks ago, im now down to just under 14, iv been told by my supplier/ trainer that i should sart the slin. i just wanted to know if the risks are really worth it. iv also been told that if i dont run slin with gh i cpould end up with a condition opposite to that of diabetes, he said its happened to him over many years with taking gh without slin,

[TaintedSoul]

I'm looking for max growth using GH plus steroids. Now if you not using slin how do you inject this intramuscular. Same as you do the steroid? In a normal syringe and into a muscle. Will my butt do??

Pscarb you mention for beginningers no less than 4iu each day? Would more be better or like steroids stick to moderate doses and dont go overboard? The other thing you mentioned was fat loss is more prone on ED injections and mass growth inject every 2 - 3 days?

My goal is max growth so perhaps then inejct every 2 - 3 days? Bare in mind I want to run with with 2 courses over 18 weeks and I am not using slin.

Next project:
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-t...ig-growth.html


And reading gym rats comment on ending up with a condition opposite of diabetes??? puts me off a little!! :( Here I was thinking staying away from slin was a safe bet. Plus I was under the impression GH is mostly gains and hardly any if any side effects?

[Pscarb]

Originally Posted by gym rat

hey paul. i was chatting to you last week on another thread about the slin, i told you i was 20% bf which was calculated 3weeks ago, im now down to just under 14, iv been told by my supplier/ trainer that i should sart the slin. i just wanted to know if the risks are really worth it. iv also been told that if i dont run slin with gh i cpould end up with a condition opposite to that of diabetes, he said its happened to him over many years with taking gh without slin,

i would say because you have dropped a lot of fat in such a small space of time that your body will still not be ready for Slin...and to be honest your supplier/trainer is a tosser to even suggest it after it has caused him so much trouble.

In my opinion GH is an advanced drug and most use it far to early and expect far to much from it, now Slin will kill you if you dont know what you are doing, if it doesn't kill you but you dont keep a very strict diet it will make you very fat and like i said before seeing as you have just lost alot of fat your body will be in a state of rebound and the slightest thing would cause you to pile the pounds back on...

[Pscarb]

Originally Posted by TaintedSoul

I'm looking for max growth using GH plus steroids. Now if you not using slin how do you inject this intramuscular. Same as you do the steroid? In a normal syringe and into a muscle. Will my butt do??
if you are just using GH then inject Sub-Q the IM method is for Slin and GH only....

Pscarb you mention for beginningers no less than 4iu each day? Would more be better or like steroids stick to moderate doses and dont go overboard? The other thing you mentioned was fat loss is more prone on ED injections and mass growth inject every 2 - 3 days?

My goal is max growth so perhaps then inejct every 2 - 3 days? Bare in mind I want to run with with 2 courses over 18 weeks and I am not using slin.
Using 12iu's e3d would be better for growth than ED but please bare in mind that GH is not a great mass builder i have been training and taking gear for approx 18yrs so for me getting 4-6lbs of muscle from 6months on GH is a huge gain seeing as i am 215lbs at 5'5" tall you might not call this alot....i see from your other thread that you want to gain 19kgs well i can assure you that you will not gain this amount of muscle with the AAS cycle you have detailed with or without GH or Slin....
Next project:
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-t...ig-growth.html


And reading gym rats comment on ending up with a condition opposite of diabetes??? puts me off a little!! :( Here I was thinking staying away from slin was a safe bet. Plus I was under the impression GH is mostly gains and hardly any if any side effects?
you should stay away from Slin as i dont think you are ready for it.....
GH is not all about gains like i said above i think you will be dissapointed if you are pinning all your hopes on GH for Mass gains plus you can get side effects from GH any thing from water retention to carpel tunnel syndrome and if to high a dose is used you can become diabetic i would not think this would be an issue for the doses you would use though...

[TaintedSoul]

Some solid feedback there. Given me some food for thought.

I have no reason to ever do slin as I dont plan to compete. I do know 19kg's gain is a year or so away for me maybe more as I do enjoy having a life these days.

Thanks for the input mate. It's given me something to think about.

[rightyho]

Quick q as regards your thoughts for a GH/slin/IGF-LR3 combo for PCT in conjunction with hcg, nolva and Sopharma tribulus.

Do you think there are any merits to using growth, slin and igf together during the first 6 weeks of the "off period?

[Pscarb]

i would never use all three together ed as most dont realise that you are much more sensative to Insulin when you run both Slin and IGF-1.
what i have done in the past including my last PCT was to run Slin/GH PWO for 4 weeks then Switch to IGF-1LR3 PWO then GH before bed this has worked very well for me plus it allows you to cycle the Slin and IGF-1LR3 to get maximum benefit.

I would never use Tribulus as in my opinion it does nothing for PCT...

[Pscarb]

I am currently using a diffrent Method for GH use:

I am using 16iu's every 3rd day if this third day lands on a training day i will split the amount like so;
8iu's GH along with 8iu's Slin IM injection PWO then 8iu's IM injection B4 bed.
If it lands on a non training day i will jab all 16iu's IM B4 bed.

I will report back after i have run this method for 8 weeks.

[rightyho]

Here is an old study looking at ways to combat GH and slin use in IOC-tested athletes which goes some way toward explaining the anabolic and anticatabolic effects of a GH/slin combo.

http://joe.endocrinology-journals.or...t/170/1/13.pdf