gh/igf a must in PCT?! - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

**Pscarb** · 01-09-2006, 12:00 AM

Found this on another site it was originaly posted by Fred....

gh/igf a must in PCT?!
<DIV id=post_message_2984906>Besides LH and FSH also " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">IGF and GH are important to get ur balls back

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During " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">igf/gh/t3 are lower then normal and this can be one of the bottlenecks during " href="http://anabolicreview-research.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=41">pct can greatly help you to recover from your cycle. Would also great to add hcg(lh) or even better hmg(lh+fsh)..

Below you can see a few studies where the importance of " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">IGF-I in the testis. Testicular production of " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">IGF-I. The effect of GH is depend on the experimental models used. In addition in this paper, we have shown in adult rats that the " href="http://www.steroid-peptides.com/igf1.html">IGF-I receptors on Leydig cells are modified by fasting. Both in vivo and in vitro, IGF-I increased LH/hCG receptors and the steroidogenic response to hCG by a mechanism which is poorly understood yet.
PMID: 7994317 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

-2 Chandrashekar V, Bartke A.
Department of Physiology, Southern Illinois University School of Medicine, Carbondale, IL 62901-6512, USA. shekar@siu.edu

There is unequivocal evidence that the biosynthesis and secretion of gonadotropins by the pituitary gland is controlled by the hypothalamic GnRH and the function of the testis is mainly regulated by FSH and LH. However, a number of investigations have suggested the role of other hormones/factors, including insulin-like " href="http://www.peptides.com/igf1.html">IGF-I is poorly investigated in humans. In animals with altered " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">IGF-I in the control of neuroendocrine-testicular function in humans.

-3 Spiteri-Grech J, Nieschlag E.
Institute of Reproductive Medicine, The University, Munster, FRG.

Animal experiments and clinical studies on the interactions between growth hormone (GH) and the male hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis have predominantly concentrated on GH and sex steroid interactions in the regulation of growth and development, or on the metabolic effects of GH. In contrast, little attention has been paid to the possible effects of GH on spermatogenesis, although the first report dealing with this topic was published almost 30 years ago. The interactions of GH and its main mediator, insulin-like " href="http://www.steroid-peptides.com/igf1.html">IGF-I can play an important role in the regulation of steroidogenesis and spermatogenesis. Furthermore, although follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone are the major regulators of testicular " href="http://www.-peptides.com/igf1.html">IGF-I content.</I> A large proportion of men presenting at male-infertility clinics are diagnosed as having idiopathic infertility. Further studies are necessary to investigate whether defects associated with GH and/or

**hackskii** · 05-09-2006, 07:08 PM

I have suspected the IGF theory for some time.
It made sense to me because of nolvadex's effects on lowering IGF-1.

On another note, my shoulder has never felt better after doing a few cycles of IGF-1.
I cant say for sure but I totally suspect connective tissue repairs are accelerated with IGF-1 use.

I am a bigger fan now of IGF than ever and I was a huge fan of HGH.

MASSIVEMONSTER · 06-09-2006, 11:26 AM

I would use IGF but read about it being able to cause mutations within the body and speed up cancer. Studies done on older guys dont always suggest this at replacement dosages, but injecting 60-80mcg IGF or 6IU per day of HGH is a different ballgame. Anyone ?

**Pscarb** · 06-09-2006, 01:59 PM

there have been studies to show that their is a link towards the use of IGF-1 and cancer in rats but i am yet to see a study which conclude that IGF or GH actually can cause cancer....they did used to say the same about AAS..

shakey · 13-09-2006, 11:50 AM

Got to say i have also heard this & it is putting me off trying it!
Suffer from Ulcerative colitis which increases the chance of me getting cancer of the bowl at some point in the future anyway.
Bit worried it might just trigger it off???

**Tinytom** · 13-09-2006, 11:55 AM

I must say that I never use IGF off cycle because I am a firm beleiver in maximising gains on Test.

That being said I do use GH off cycle and off course this will give an IGF increase albeit a bit smaller.

I get on fine in PCT with Nolva, Clomid, Proviron etc so don't feel the need to use an expensive IGF product just to keep my gains which hardly ever diminish massively anyway.

Thats just my opinion though and I can see the logic in using IGF off cycle - just not something I would do.

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Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,487	gh/igf a must in PCT?! Found this on another site it was originaly posted by Fred.... gh/igf a must in PCT?! <DIV id=post_message_2984906>Besides LH and FSH also " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">IGF and GH are important to get ur balls back... During " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">igf/gh/t3 are lower then normal and this can be one of the bottlenecks during " href="http://anabolicreview-research.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=41">pct can greatly help you to recover from your cycle. Would also great to add hcg(lh) or even better hmg(lh+fsh).. Below you can see a few studies where the importance of " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">IGF-I in the testis. Testicular production of " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">IGF-I. The effect of GH is depend on the experimental models used. In addition in this paper, we have shown in adult rats that the " href="http://www.steroid-peptides.com/igf1.html">IGF-I receptors on Leydig cells are modified by fasting. Both in vivo and in vitro, IGF-I increased LH/hCG receptors and the steroidogenic response to hCG by a mechanism which is poorly understood yet. PMID: 7994317 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -2 Chandrashekar V, Bartke A. Department of Physiology, Southern Illinois University School of Medicine, Carbondale, IL 62901-6512, USA. shekar@siu.edu There is unequivocal evidence that the biosynthesis and secretion of gonadotropins by the pituitary gland is controlled by the hypothalamic GnRH and the function of the testis is mainly regulated by FSH and LH. However, a number of investigations have suggested the role of other hormones/factors, including insulin-like " href="http://www.peptides.com/igf1.html">IGF-I is poorly investigated in humans. In animals with altered " href="http://www..com/igf1.html">IGF-I in the control of neuroendocrine-testicular function in humans. -3 Spiteri-Grech J, Nieschlag E. Institute of Reproductive Medicine, The University, Munster, FRG. Animal experiments and clinical studies on the interactions between growth hormone (GH) and the male hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis have predominantly concentrated on GH and sex steroid interactions in the regulation of growth and development, or on the metabolic effects of GH. In contrast, little attention has been paid to the possible effects of GH on spermatogenesis, although the first report dealing with this topic was published almost 30 years ago. The interactions of GH and its main mediator, insulin-like " href="http://www.steroid-peptides.com/igf1.html">IGF-I can play an important role in the regulation of steroidogenesis and spermatogenesis. Furthermore, although follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone are the major regulators of testicular " href="http://www.-peptides.com/igf1.html">IGF-I content.</I> A large proportion of men presenting at male-infertility clinics are diagnosed as having idiopathic infertility. Further studies are necessary to investigate whether defects associated with GH and/or __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage Last edited by Pscarb; 01-09-2006 at 12:28 AM.

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hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,635	I have suspected the IGF theory for some time. It made sense to me because of nolvadex's effects on lowering IGF-1. On another note, my shoulder has never felt better after doing a few cycles of IGF-1. I cant say for sure but I totally suspect connective tissue repairs are accelerated with IGF-1 use. I am a bigger fan now of IGF than ever and I was a huge fan of HGH. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,487	there have been studies to show that their is a link towards the use of IGF-1 and cancer in rats but i am yet to see a study which conclude that IGF or GH actually can cause cancer....they did used to say the same about AAS.. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

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shakey Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: cornwall,uk Posts: 301	Got to say i have also heard this & it is putting me off trying it! Suffer from Ulcerative colitis which increases the chance of me getting cancer of the bowl at some point in the future anyway. Bit worried it might just trigger it off??? __________________ --------------------------------------------------- To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,885	I must say that I never use IGF off cycle because I am a firm beleiver in maximising gains on Test. That being said I do use GH off cycle and off course this will give an IGF increase albeit a bit smaller. I get on fine in PCT with Nolva, Clomid, Proviron etc so don't feel the need to use an expensive IGF product just to keep my gains which hardly ever diminish massively anyway. Thats just my opinion though and I can see the logic in using IGF off cycle - just not something I would do. __________________ We are what we do. Excellence is therefore a habit not a skill. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Code 'UKM 110' for an extra 5% discount To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also mod at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

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MASSIVEMONSTER Gym Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 310	I would use IGF but read about it being able to cause mutations within the body and speed up cancer. Studies done on older guys dont always suggest this at replacement dosages, but injecting 60-80mcg IGF or 6IU per day of HGH is a different ballgame. Anyone ?

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