quick question an IGF

[Tinytom]

Yeah I understand what you are saying Gr8 1 though my thinking is that I want to use GH for 2 reasons

1. to get massive
2. to get massive

It's so expensive that I wouldn't want to use it away from gear as all you will be doing is slowing catabolisation - great, I'll spend hundreds of quid just so I get smaller at a slower rate.

If you are using GH for fat loss then really you have money to burn. Instead send me the 100's of quid that you'll spend and I'll write you a diet and training plan to maximise GH output while using natural (or not) inexpensive fat burners.

If money is no object then GH in the off course period would be good - hell I'd use it all year round if I could afford it, but when you are talking about maximising gains/results with the limited resources you have then I believe in whacking all the gear in at once for short periods and having adequate rest between cycles.

That's only my opinion mind.

[the_gre8t_1ne]

gr8 advice, i do agree that gh/igf/slin are best used while on cycle, and if you decide to bridge slin/gh would be the way to go,

[hackskii]

Originally Posted by Tinytom

I never use IGF for PCT.

Whats the point? IGF + Test = massive gains

IGF has about 5 weeks of activity before the receptors shutdown.

I don't see the point of running anything PCT apart from test stimulating drugs and maybe 5iu of insulin PWO.

I can see many reasons for running diffrent meds for PCT like:

1. keep gains by running IGF-1 during PCT to avoid catabolism while HPTA is restarting.

2. nolvadex is known to lower IGF-1.

3. From Dr. Scally, HGH ran with HCG aids in testicular recovery and function if ran during PCT.

4. IGF-1, HGH, both put you in positive nitrogen ballance, which will aid in muscle growth.

5. Both HGH and IGF-1 offer some fat loss capibilities.

steroids and this even goes for orals raise IGF-1 anyway, sure adding more in will yield more results of hyperplasia, but 50 days is about the max you can run IGF-1.
If you do a 12 week cycle that is 84 days, so if you cycled it off for 30-40 days before starting your PCT you can have both benefits of running it during the cycle to get the biggest bang for your buck and during PCT to get your biggest bang for your buck as a good PCT should last 45 days for full recovery.
So, I see that there can be the best of both worlds here.

Even run IGF-1 during a shorter cycle and HGH during PCT, better bang for your buck as well.

But next cycle I will be running IGF-1 during so who am I to say otherwise

[chemist]

i will be using igf during my pct for several reasons, firstly to see whether or not it does help to retain gains after steroid use. secondly for the pumps i get from it as hopefully this will help with motivation down the gym at a time when i'd normally be feelig sh~t and also to keep the intesity high again to help keep gains

[Tinytom]

That's good points Hackskii.

In an ideal world I would run GH with PCT but my goals are super size and so that's why I do it the way I outlined.

A recreational user should follow something like what you have outlined as it the best way of staying safe.

I think there's a good argument for both sides depending on your goals.

[hackskii]

I think if you time your cycling of IGF you can do both.

But you can not go wrong using HGH during PCT infact I would recommend it.
I just cant afford it