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DB · 19-10-2004, 02:55 PM

look good mate, nice delts....u natural??

good tan aswell u bastard!!

**hackskii** · 19-10-2004, 06:35 PM

Yah, you do look really good.
Judging by the delts you dont look natural. Either that or some really good genetics in the shoulder department.

You look really good for 42.

KJAM1 · 19-10-2004, 07:27 PM

Thanks for the words of encouragement. Like I said before it is a work in progress. I do squats and leg press. I stack on 8 plates a side on the leg press and do 4 sets from 6-8 reps, i also do hack squats and those work on the front quads with close stance. I also do calve raises, 15 reps until they burn for 4 sets. Any advice on what others have done to get those twigs to grow?

The question regarding my Delts, My arms and Delts grow like weeds. They are always the best part of my physic, I have used test on and off. Doctor prescribed test therapy for the past 6 years. Right now I am off the prescription to see if my body will produce on it's own.

winger · 19-10-2004, 07:37 PM

How long have you been off of the hrt?

DB · 19-10-2004, 07:44 PM

did u get put on the hrt because u couldn't recover from taking gear??

more bloody americans on the site!! should change it to ukonly-muscle.co.uk

KJAM1 · 19-10-2004, 07:59 PM

I HAVE BEEN OFF THE HRT FOR THREE MONTHS NOW AND I AM NOTICING A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE SIZE OF MY BALLS. fUNNY HOW THAT WORKS. LOL
I ALSO SEE A DIFFERENCE IN MY OVERALL SIZE AS WELL. I HAVE LOST 10 POUNDS OF HARD FOUGHT FOR MUSCLE. THAT IS THE BIGGEST DRAWBACK TO GO CLEAN. I DO WANT TO SEE IF MY BODY CAN PRODUCE ON IT'S OWN.

KJAM1 · 19-10-2004, 08:14 PM

I GOT ON THE HRT AFTER WORKING OUT FOR A YEAR AND NOTICED THAT MY STRENGTH AND ENDURANCE WAS GOING BACKWARDS NOT FORWARD, MY WORKOUT PARTNER TOLD ME THAT HE THOUGHT I SHOULD GET CHECKED FOR LOW TEST COUNT, WHICH I DID AND SURE ENOUGH IT WAS LOW.

DB · 19-10-2004, 08:35 PM

is it just a shot of test enen 250mg every 3-4 weeks??

Deano! · 19-10-2004, 10:33 PM

in good shape mate

hope you can keep the build up like ;)

KJAM1 · 19-10-2004, 10:37 PM

YEA, JUST A SHOT EVERY 2 WEEKS 400 MG TEST ENANTHATE. WITHOUT IT I LOOK AND FEEL LIKE S**T. I HOPE IT IS WORTH THE HOLDING OUT TO SEE IF I CAN KICK IN NATURALLY. IN THE MEAN TIME I AM LOSING SOME VERY HARD FOUGHT FOR MUSCLE.

DB · 19-10-2004, 10:45 PM

nasty....
have u tried using products to help kickstart ur natural test production??

clomid? nolvadex?

or over the counter: tribulus? zinc?

KJAM1 · 19-10-2004, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diary barry

nasty....
have u tried using products to help kickstart ur natural test production??

clomid? nolvadex?

or over the counter: tribulus? zinc?

RIGHT NOW I AM USING ZMA, AND TRIBULUS TERESTRIS. THIS SEEMS TO BE WORKING A BIT, I AM BREAKING OUT ON MY FACE AND BACK SOME.

HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD ISSUES WITH THIS PROBLEM?:confused:

DB · 19-10-2004, 11:53 PM

not zinc mate mydelf and got trib but havent used it yet,

bump for anyone else

winger · 20-10-2004, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJAM1

YEA, JUST A SHOT EVERY 2 WEEKS 400 MG TEST ENANTHATE. WITHOUT IT I LOOK AND FEEL LIKE S**T. I HOPE IT IS WORTH THE HOLDING OUT TO SEE IF I CAN KICK IN NATURALLY. IN THE MEAN TIME I AM LOSING SOME VERY HARD FOUGHT FOR MUSCLE.

I got a buddy that is on HRT.
He takes a shot of 400 mg of tes enanthate every 3 weeks.
Here is an old article.
I have a buddy that had a hard time rebounding just like me. :( 6 months after his last shot the balls were shut down and he had very low levels. He did all the tests and 2 months later they put him on hrt. He takes 400mg of upjohn cyp every 3 weeks. 3 days after his shot he gets tested and is around 900 tes level. 3 weeks after his shot he is at 750. Average tes levels are around 300-900 some say 240-700.
So if he is close to the top I am sure you are close also. Oh he was tested at about 200.
Actually what I am saying is that when your natural tes levels come back to normal, you still wont look like you did when you were on the HRT.

**hackskii** · 20-10-2004, 03:10 AM

KJAM1, I am a hard recovery guy myself.
At your age you probably dont need HRT.
I am willing to bet that you have some pretty good testicular atrophy going on.
I still do after a 18 week layoff from gear.
Test shuts me down pretty good and even at 200mgs a week you will get shutdown.
The longer you are shut down the harder the recovery.
Especially for me @ 45 Yrs. old.

I think I have some pretty good advice to get you up and running (nuts) with your own natural test production. I have done alot of experimenting and I think I can be of help here.
I am not a Dr. nor an expert. But I do have the same problem as you and I know what works for me (besides time).

There are several approaches here that you can take, that will help you keep your gains without shutting you down.

PM me and lets see if I can help.

19-10-2004, 02:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,762	look good mate, nice delts....u natural?? good tan aswell u bastard!! __________________ Affiliate of Bulk Supplements Direct Discount Code= BSD290 UKBFF southcoast 2008, O80kg Champion

19-10-2004, 07:44 PM	#20 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,762	did u get put on the hrt because u couldn't recover from taking gear?? more bloody americans on the site!! should change it to ukonly-muscle.co.uk __________________ Affiliate of Bulk Supplements Direct Discount Code= BSD290 UKBFF southcoast 2008, O80kg Champion

19-10-2004, 08:35 PM	#23 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,762	is it just a shot of test enen 250mg every 3-4 weeks?? __________________ Affiliate of Bulk Supplements Direct Discount Code= BSD290 UKBFF southcoast 2008, O80kg Champion

19-10-2004, 10:45 PM	#26 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,762	nasty.... have u tried using products to help kickstart ur natural test production?? clomid? nolvadex? or over the counter: tribulus? zinc? __________________ Affiliate of Bulk Supplements Direct Discount Code= BSD290 UKBFF southcoast 2008, O80kg Champion

19-10-2004, 11:53 PM	#28 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,762	not zinc mate mydelf and got trib but havent used it yet, bump for anyone else __________________ Affiliate of Bulk Supplements Direct Discount Code= BSD290 UKBFF southcoast 2008, O80kg Champion

19-10-2004, 06:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Yah, you do look really good. Judging by the delts you dont look natural. Either that or some really good genetics in the shoulder department. You look really good for 42.

19-10-2004, 07:27 PM	#18 (permalink)
KJAM1 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Great Northwest, USA Posts: 23	Thanks for the words of encouragement. Like I said before it is a work in progress. I do squats and leg press. I stack on 8 plates a side on the leg press and do 4 sets from 6-8 reps, i also do hack squats and those work on the front quads with close stance. I also do calve raises, 15 reps until they burn for 4 sets. Any advice on what others have done to get those twigs to grow? The question regarding my Delts, My arms and Delts grow like weeds. They are always the best part of my physic, I have used test on and off. Doctor prescribed test therapy for the past 6 years. Right now I am off the prescription to see if my body will produce on it's own.

19-10-2004, 07:37 PM	#19 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,402 Blog Entries: 1	How long have you been off of the hrt?

19-10-2004, 07:59 PM	#21 (permalink)
KJAM1 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Great Northwest, USA Posts: 23	I HAVE BEEN OFF THE HRT FOR THREE MONTHS NOW AND I AM NOTICING A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE SIZE OF MY BALLS. fUNNY HOW THAT WORKS. LOL I ALSO SEE A DIFFERENCE IN MY OVERALL SIZE AS WELL. I HAVE LOST 10 POUNDS OF HARD FOUGHT FOR MUSCLE. THAT IS THE BIGGEST DRAWBACK TO GO CLEAN. I DO WANT TO SEE IF MY BODY CAN PRODUCE ON IT'S OWN.

19-10-2004, 08:14 PM	#22 (permalink)
KJAM1 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Great Northwest, USA Posts: 23	I GOT ON THE HRT AFTER WORKING OUT FOR A YEAR AND NOTICED THAT MY STRENGTH AND ENDURANCE WAS GOING BACKWARDS NOT FORWARD, MY WORKOUT PARTNER TOLD ME THAT HE THOUGHT I SHOULD GET CHECKED FOR LOW TEST COUNT, WHICH I DID AND SURE ENOUGH IT WAS LOW.

19-10-2004, 10:33 PM	#24 (permalink)
Deano! Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: N.Wales Posts: 633	in good shape mate hope you can keep the build up like ;)

19-10-2004, 10:37 PM	#25 (permalink)
KJAM1 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Great Northwest, USA Posts: 23	YEA, JUST A SHOT EVERY 2 WEEKS 400 MG TEST ENANTHATE. WITHOUT IT I LOOK AND FEEL LIKE S**T. I HOPE IT IS WORTH THE HOLDING OUT TO SEE IF I CAN KICK IN NATURALLY. IN THE MEAN TIME I AM LOSING SOME VERY HARD FOUGHT FOR MUSCLE.

20-10-2004, 03:10 AM	#30 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	KJAM1, I am a hard recovery guy myself. At your age you probably dont need HRT. I am willing to bet that you have some pretty good testicular atrophy going on. I still do after a 18 week layoff from gear. Test shuts me down pretty good and even at 200mgs a week you will get shutdown. The longer you are shut down the harder the recovery. Especially for me @ 45 Yrs. old. I think I have some pretty good advice to get you up and running (nuts) with your own natural test production. I have done alot of experimenting and I think I can be of help here. I am not a Dr. nor an expert. But I do have the same problem as you and I know what works for me (besides time). There are several approaches here that you can take, that will help you keep your gains without shutting you down. PM me and lets see if I can help.