davetherave

hahaha i wouldnt say "lost" i would say am "losing"

give it time though ;)

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tonight is the night, off down the rugby club at 7 so i shall see what the craic is

bit nervous but i shall see how i get on and will post later on if i havnt snapped my neck or something

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right i went down and did my usual limp lettuce thing of stood and watched for about 40 minutes, they were doing touch rugby so i was watching and learning, then an older fella went for a pi55 (walked past me) and asked if i wanted to join in, spoke to us for a bit, etc and was very friendly

i explained id never played before and he said the best way was to jump in and have a go, so fcuk it i thought and got on

as it was going on some of the older ones were teaching me where to stand, where to run, etc and yes you guessed it the first thing i did was get hit in the face with the ball

caught it though and carried on running which may have gone down well, most of the other team was young lads and skinny wiley ones, most of our team were old men so it was a good half hour or so, i enjoyed it

afterwards one of the lads spent a few minutes showin me how to throw, etc and the same fella who spoke to me first was trying to convince me to play as hooker because of my lack of neck and big shoulders, i dont think so though ;)

i said id go back next tuesday (will be the same sort of thing) and apparantly pre-season starts on 16th july, so they said they would put me with the 4th team (thank god) and see where im at, the same fella said that i picked it up fast enough for my first time, but im too quiet on the pitch (this will change when i know them trust me)

so yeah in the end a sucessfull night

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MrGum

Glad you enjoyed it.
That delt problem sounds bad. What have you tried (physio??)
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i hope that no beginners are reading this......................

last summer i was doing two days of boxing training and 4 days of weights training per week (back&biceps, chest&triceps, shoulders and legs) fitting them all around each other and two jobs
looking back now i know that it was too much, i should have done 2 or 3 days of weights because looking back my shoulders were getting hit 5 days a week, the only days they were not gettign hit were back and bicep day and rest day (all 2 of them)

because with boxing you throw hundreds of jabs per session, and even if you are not throwing you don't drop your hands, so if you did 30 minutes of three minute rounds on the bags you're arms take a kicking, especially off the heavy bag

i sacked the boxing off about 2 weeks before i went away and sacked the weights off at the same time (i think) however whilst i was away on some occasions i couldnt put suncreme on my left shoulder, not even the front delt part as my arm wouldnt "work"
magaluff halfway through a lads supping holiday was no time to get this seen to so technically i should have got it sorted when i got back, as soon as i got back, but talk whilst away was often of training and i wanted to get back up to 16 stone again (which i did)

i never got the delt looked at, that was in spetember and i can do all exercises apart from

fully extended pulls/chins (i can do half ones)
one arm db rows

i was going to get it seen to at a physio at bolton football club about 2 months ago but if they said i couldnt train, id have to have time off the doors and at the time this was not an option financially, the pain i get is a shooting pain, and it is either

a laburm (?) tear
a rotator cuff injury
an impingement syndrome
nothing

so this story basically comes down to my retardedness

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Well, hope you get it sorted. My wife had an impingement (left shoulder) and had the operation (bits ground off her clavicle). Before she had the op her arm often went cold and she had that type of pain that isn't sharp but is exhausting. Can't say it was a total success, but somewhat better.
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yeah i have done some research on shoulder impingements and the pain doesnt sound liek the one described, so she had her shoulder socket shaved?

how was her recovery, etc

and how did she develop it (tennis, weights, boxing, etc)?

sorry ot ask 20 questions mate

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First off loved the video of the power cleans and look at how perfect her form was.

I like to do 2 widening and 2 thickening. I think pulling from different angles is good imo. The back is the biggest sheet of muscle so it needs more work.
Have you seen the movie, "I am legend" with Will Smith. Did you notice how he didn't do a full range of motion? If you didn't see the movie click here.
I personally don't go all the way down either but I go allot deeper that Will does. When you don't go all the way down it kind of spreads the lats out and that is what you want.

Another excercse that I have not tried but sounds promising is strap lots of weights to your waist and strap your grip and hang for as long as you can with a very wide grip. That should (in theory) give you a wide back.

For every study that says wide grip gives you a wide back comes a study that says wide grip doesn't matter.
My take is that it does.

As for cleans and deads, do cleans on shoulder day and space out your back day and shoulder day. Any questions?

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Lin

Chuffed as mintballs you joined in with the rugby Dave Go and see someone about your shoulder it could get worse if not....I damaged mine doing ninja death rolls about 2 years ago, left it for a few weeks then ended up in a+e I'd torn the tendons and ligaments where the clavicle meets the shoulder socket, they didn't do anything though so went to a private sports physio, he said also I'd caught tendon/ligament or possibly muscle under my scapula and around the shoulder socket, my arm and shoulder is still tight but not as bad as it was, but I do continue to get a warm sickly feeling behind the scapula, it makes me want to try and get my hand underneath and pull it, it's so frustratin.

Must go back to physio and get contorted ouch....................I can get you the number of the guy near me if you like
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MrGum

They don't know why it happened - Horse riding? Carrying big fat babies in front slings? They said she was very young (34) for it just to be wear and tear. They went in (keyhole) through three different places on the shoulder, front back and side. The first week it was very sore but you have to get it moving pretty much immediately, so she only used the sling when going out so people would keep their distance and not bump into her. The recovery was longer than we thought - six weeks off work. Loads of physio. She was able to drive after about four weeks. It isn't better, same symptoms remain but to a lesser degree. It's ok some days, but on damp days she still has this dull ache. The little finger and one next to it are often very cold, in fact that whole hand seems colder generally. They wondered if there was a problem in the neck (as this is what usually affects the hand) but an MRI revealed nothing. Even with the physio and some light weights during the months after the op, that arm remains significantly weaker, and although you can't really tell, she is conscious that the muscle tone is different to that in the other arm.

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what you say makes sense mate and is kind of what i was suspecting you would come up with

i havnt seen i am legend but i have watched the clip you posted and i go a bit deeper but may consider keeping on doing them how i am and adding more weight, i have been doing them underhand for a few weeks as i struggle to stop on overhands (and go too far and fook me delt up)
my arms go to just past an l shape (if that makes sense) when i say past i mean a bit lower then an l shape would be

one option may be to eliminate good mornings and do power cleans then (after squats) but my lower back is always fooked after squats, this is the main reason why i dont do stiff leg deads, so i may have to drop them again

and yeah i was surprised that the first videon on your tube when you type in "power cleans" was a good one, ususally it takes a while to find a suitable video

sounds nasty :(

the problem now is that if i go and they say to have a rest there goes the rugby though - i am glad i got stuck in and next week i can do the full game (now i know a few of them)
a few of the younger peopel there were big but carrying a lot of fat so i should get a game straight off, however fat peopel who just run and get taken to ground could be handy, so at the moment i may end up on the wing, or balsl to it hooker

im not afraid of digs (doors, boxing, etc) but i'll see what the digs at rugby are like, it may be worth taking more digs if it means less running (ie if i went on the wing) hahaha

pre-season training starts in 4 weeks so ive got a bit of time to get down each week and do the same as last night, and a part of me cant wait which may sound daft as i only did 30 minutes, but ive also got 4 weeks to get as many rules learned as possible

also sounds nasty mate,

my sister had some cartlidge shaved off her knee a bit ago and they ballsed it up, so it has not been right since, but to be fair it is better then it was (she had to walk up hills backwards) so i imagine it may be the same sort of thing?

phew my journal has become a depressing place with all this injury talk, its a good job i am not a hypocondriac

cheers for popping in folks

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i still train before people begin to forget that this is a weights-related journal

tonight i decided to wear different trainers and also my nike popper trackie bottoms from years ago, i remembered why i stopped wearing them though, this was for two reasons (both not a problem as i train at home)

a) there is a massive tear in the ar5e, i remember this from my running days when i used to a cold ar5e and didn't know why
b) when you squat all of the poppers burst (well the ones down to the straps anyway) so you end up squatting just in your pants and watching a near naked dave squat is not attractive

workout follows

legs and shoulders (on a 4x6 rep range)

squats
90kg 1x6
104kg 1x6
108kg 1x6
114kg 1x6 <matches pb

seated db press
25.2kg 1x6
31.2kg 1x6
33.2kg 2x6

standing bb calf raises (toes in)
110kg 1x18
126kg 1x18
130kg 1x18

* no good mornings as i am startign to brick it a bit about these, i know 60odd kg is not a lot but i am wary of going too heavy with them
* i may move power cleans from back day to after seated db presses but this may be asking too much (my back is wrecked after squats) so it may be sldl's again

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right as some may have seen in daves journal i have some aims that i am aiming to hit, some are conservative and achievable, some are possbily not, all are aiming for reps though


deadlifts 160kg
squats 120kg
flat bench press 120kg
overhead press bodyweight

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your squat aim is very close mate!

i reckon you'll get it easy just try not to tire the legs out too much before you go for it e.g. start heavier

good luck dave!

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Glad rugby went well mate. Keep it up.

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