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Bulk1 · 02-05-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Littleluke

It wasn't a dig or anything mate. You are carrying some good mass. My point is "bulking" doesn't excuse putting on more bodyfat than needed. Sitting at about 10-12% is a good place to be when bulking. It's easier to gauge your quality muscle gains. I read a few posts by TinyTom and Pascarb regarding keeping lean in the off season. Also I have read a book by Dorian Yates (A warriors story) and he states that holiding too much bf for a sustained period of time makes it difficult to shift.

same as Luke.. gaining 3 stone (36lbs) in 1 year is a huge amount.. (% of fat to muscle) I think you'll really benifit to start cutting now mate

shauno · 03-05-2008, 11:26 AM

cheers for the input lads. but as it stands i feel at im honest 18%bf.

i will keep bulking until i get to 20odd%. i will then diet a stone off and continue to put on size and play it like that.

ive never dietd before so i wouldnt want to fcuk it all up

ah24 · 03-05-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shauno

cheers for the input lads. but as it stands i feel at im honest 18%bf.

i will keep bulking until i get to 20odd%. i will then diet a stone off and continue to put on size and play it like that.

ive never dietd before so i wouldnt want to fcuk it all up

Why mate?! You're putting yourself under un-necassery risks and just adding pointless weight.

Secondly, in my honest opinion you've got more than a stone to come off - especially if deliberately planning to go to 20 odd %.

TH&S · 03-05-2008, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Littleluke

It wasn't a dig or anything mate. You are carrying some good mass. My point is "bulking" doesn't excuse putting on more bodyfat than needed. Sitting at about 10-12% is a good place to be when bulking. It's easier to gauge your quality muscle gains. I read a few posts by TinyTom and Pascarb regarding keeping lean in the off season. Also I have read a book by Dorian Yates (A warriors story) and he states that holiding too much bf for a sustained period of time makes it difficult to shift.

Shauno - this is good advice, as a natty you don't want to get too fat on a bulk. Bulking is not just an excuse to get fat. Good progress thus far though dude.

If you are on gear - well theres a debate for massive eating, but thats another thread in it's self.

Luke - realistically most people on here aren't 12% BF yet. But I think what he's referring too is Set Point Theory.

shauno · 03-05-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ah24

Why mate?! You're putting yourself under un-necassery risks and just adding pointless weight.

Secondly, in my honest opinion you've got more than a stone to come off - especially if deliberately planning to go to 20 odd %.

ok mate lets start again.

i am planning on continuing adding tissue at a slow rate, i know this will however result in bf levels going up as im natural. when i hit 20odd%bf i will then trim a stone of lard off then continuing adding tissue at a slow rate.

i see no real need for me to get into good condition without a decent amount of tissue.

can you explain these unnecessary risks to me mate?

shauno · 03-05-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TH&S

Shauno - this is good advice, as a natty you don't want to get too fat on a bulk. Bulking is not just an excuse to get fat. Good progress thus far though dude.

If you are on gear - well theres a debate for massive eating, but thats another thread in it's self.

Luke - realistically most people on here aren't 12% BF yet. But I think what he's referring too is Set Point Theory.

im completely natural mate. i dont even really know what eca or eph is.

im just happy chasing the lads on juice atm

i hear you loud and clear about the bf thing but i dont think the pics do me justice. im carrying a bit of fat on my waist abs have gone cloudy months ago but my waist isnt big for sh1t.
and i think you have to get bulked up atleast once to get the ball rolling.

flex lewis has even said you have to get outta shape to get in shape, lee priest, ive even seen pics of brittbb looking very very out of condition.

lets say i hit 16 stone at 20% bf thats about 100kg in bodyweight thats roughly 20kg of bodyfat being carried maybe less/more when you factor in water weight, glycogen etc.

so if i ditch 6-7 kilos of actual fatty tissue and im at 13-14odd bf

if we go by the 2 lb a week loss guide 7 kg of fat is 14 /15lb seven weeks of dieting.

factor in that water and glycogen needs to be accounted for

call it 12 weeks actual dieting maybe 2 or 3 fcuking around getting it right im now back at a place where i can continue adding tissue.

does that lot make sense? this is what im thinking anyways

ah24 · 03-05-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shauno

i am planning on continuing adding tissue at a slow rate, i know this will however result in bf levels going up as im natural. when i hit 20odd%bf i will then trim a stone of lard off then continuing adding tissue at a slow rate.

Why is that? If thats the case its down to pure bloody laziness with the diet - sorry if that sounds blunt but its how I see it.

I've managed to add just over 2stone natty in 2 years and my BF% has never gone above 11-12% though for the last year has stayed at 9%.

Of course its up to you, no-ones telling you, you're doing it wrong but it just doesn't make sense adding fat for the sake of it? You're 18 - same age as me - I know for me at least the last thing I would want right now is a sh1t load of lard covering hard earned muscle I've earned.

How do you know you're adding much muscle tissue? I'm just giving my point of view mate so sorry if it comes across patronising or rude.

shauno · 03-05-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ah24

Why is that? If thats the case its down to pure bloody laziness with the diet - sorry if that sounds blunt but its how I see it.

I've managed to add just over 2stone natty in 2 years and my BF% has never gone above 11-12% though for the last year has stayed at 9%.

Of course its up to you, no-ones telling you, you're doing it wrong but it just doesn't make sense adding fat for the sake of it? You're 18 - same age as me - I know for me at least the last thing I would want right now is a sh1t load of lard covering hard earned muscle I've earned.

How do you know you're adding much muscle tissue? I'm just giving my point of view mate so sorry if it comes across patronising or rude.

no mate i appreciate the fact your not beating round the bush.

i think one of the home truths with bodybuilding naturally anyway is if you want significant lbm gains then you have to accept fat gain.

to much ****ing around gets you nowhere i find.

i eat a clean diet its not like im stuffing dohnuts and cake down me.

i just think you can only cut the thread so thin before your just adding bits and bobs of tissue. bulking and cutting is tried and tested.

i know im putting on tissue because i can feel my muscles becoming denser and bigger along with my lifts going up

warren_1987 · 03-05-2008, 09:42 PM

hi mate, obviously its up to you what you do but there has been good valid points brought up and im just a beginer but i have put on a stone in the last few months and kept my bf% the same , so yeah i have obv put on fat its inevitable unless you have some serious freaky genes. but the point being is you dont have to put on EXCESS fat.

good luck tho, i like your whole veiw of not being afraid to put on a fat but remember not to put on unneeded fat

Littleluke · 05-05-2008, 03:14 PM

You can only realistically "Naturally" add 1-3lbs of muscle a month. It makes so much more sense to eat clean and gain good weight as apposed to using the word "bulk" as an excuse to get fat. Don't get me wrong you don't have to eat clean all the time which is the beauty of bulking. You should set yourself 1 or 2 cheats a weak, Something to look forward too!

You're focusing more on how much you weigh as apposed to how much quality is within that weight. You're still young so there's no need to try and pile it all on. Do it slowly and you'll look quality in a couple of years and won't be covered in stretch marks!

shauno · 05-05-2008, 05:49 PM

am already covered in stretch marks mate, guess its genetics that dictate that

Littleluke · 05-05-2008, 07:20 PM

Ok well maybe so... Bulking doesn't mean getting fat. Why on earth would you set yourself a max bodyfat target which is progressive? You should be looking at regulating bodyfat levels but it's your body and you can do as you wish. I certainly won't be climbing above 12%.. Not only do I believe in keeping levels down but I like to look good.. With summer coming up and Holidays round the courner I'd much rather be lean and muscular.

shauno · 07-05-2008, 04:52 PM

i totally agree with you luke.

i just enjoy bulking quite agressively and also im not as committed as perhaps you are,
so lean bulking could maybe mean very little progression. i struggle to get my head round the lean bulking notion.
and as im natural i think i may need to take a slightly more aggressive approach

i have a plan to continue gaining through till next summer and cut to a respectable bf level

Lost Soul · 07-05-2008, 05:00 PM

Fcuk carrying deadweight this summer, today has been a prime example of why i shouldnt stand outside in the sun like a beached whale

feel fcuking 'orrible and sweaty, bloated and clumsy

little_man · 07-05-2008, 05:03 PM

totally agree with littleluke..... but end of the day its ur life ur body do what u wish mate, people on here are just trying to guide u in the right direction, being leaner will also make u look bigger and better on the beach ;p

03-05-2008, 11:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
shauno Getting bigger slowly Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Well'boro Posts: 470	Re: Progress pics of an 18yo cheers for the input lads. but as it stands i feel at im honest 18%bf. i will keep bulking until i get to 20odd%. i will then diet a stone off and continue to put on size and play it like that. ive never dietd before so i wouldnt want to fcuk it all up __________________ Shauno destroyed the periodic table. Because Shauno only recognises the element of surprise.

03-05-2008, 09:42 PM	#24 (permalink)
warren_1987 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,178	Re: Progress pics of an 18yo hi mate, obviously its up to you what you do but there has been good valid points brought up and im just a beginer but i have put on a stone in the last few months and kept my bf% the same , so yeah i have obv put on fat its inevitable unless you have some serious freaky genes. but the point being is you dont have to put on EXCESS fat. good luck tho, i like your whole veiw of not being afraid to put on a fat but remember not to put on unneeded fat

05-05-2008, 03:14 PM	#25 (permalink)
Littleluke Junior Bodybuilder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK. Posts: 3,014	Re: Progress pics of an 18yo You can only realistically "Naturally" add 1-3lbs of muscle a month. It makes so much more sense to eat clean and gain good weight as apposed to using the word "bulk" as an excuse to get fat. Don't get me wrong you don't have to eat clean all the time which is the beauty of bulking. You should set yourself 1 or 2 cheats a weak, Something to look forward too! You're focusing more on how much you weigh as apposed to how much quality is within that weight. You're still young so there's no need to try and pile it all on. Do it slowly and you'll look quality in a couple of years and won't be covered in stretch marks! __________________ Luke Bartram - Sponsored by BODITRONICS Enter uk-muscle1 as your coupon code when shopping at boditronics to recieve 30% off RRP. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "I do it because I can, I can because I want to, I want to because you said I couldn't" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 2008 UKBFF South Coast - Runner Up 2008 Muscle Mayhem - 2nd place (qualified for NABBA Novice Britain)

05-05-2008, 05:49 PM	#26 (permalink)
shauno Getting bigger slowly Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Well'boro Posts: 470	Re: Progress pics of an 18yo am already covered in stretch marks mate, guess its genetics that dictate that __________________ Shauno destroyed the periodic table. Because Shauno only recognises the element of surprise.

05-05-2008, 07:20 PM	#27 (permalink)
Littleluke Junior Bodybuilder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK. Posts: 3,014	Re: Progress pics of an 18yo Ok well maybe so... Bulking doesn't mean getting fat. Why on earth would you set yourself a max bodyfat target which is progressive? You should be looking at regulating bodyfat levels but it's your body and you can do as you wish. I certainly won't be climbing above 12%.. Not only do I believe in keeping levels down but I like to look good.. With summer coming up and Holidays round the courner I'd much rather be lean and muscular. __________________ Luke Bartram - Sponsored by BODITRONICS Enter uk-muscle1 as your coupon code when shopping at boditronics to recieve 30% off RRP. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "I do it because I can, I can because I want to, I want to because you said I couldn't" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 2008 UKBFF South Coast - Runner Up 2008 Muscle Mayhem - 2nd place (qualified for NABBA Novice Britain)

07-05-2008, 04:52 PM	#28 (permalink)
shauno Getting bigger slowly Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Well'boro Posts: 470	Re: Progress pics of an 18yo i totally agree with you luke. i just enjoy bulking quite agressively and also im not as committed as perhaps you are, so lean bulking could maybe mean very little progression. i struggle to get my head round the lean bulking notion. and as im natural i think i may need to take a slightly more aggressive approach i have a plan to continue gaining through till next summer and cut to a respectable bf level __________________ Shauno destroyed the periodic table. Because Shauno only recognises the element of surprise.

07-05-2008, 05:03 PM	#30 (permalink)
little_man Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 92	Re: Progress pics of an 18yo totally agree with littleluke..... but end of the day its ur life ur body do what u wish mate, people on here are just trying to guide u in the right direction, being leaner will also make u look bigger and better on the beach ;p

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