Keithy5

Be easy, only been going to gym for approximately 6 months but with a couple of 3 week stops inbetween due to holidays. I have done one cycle of tren and test which finished about 6 months ago, i was on a major bulking diet during that time and piled on just over 1 stone in 6 weeks. I currently weigh in at 15st 2lb as the photo below suggests.

I have just purchased some test and deca which i plan to stack, taking 2 jabs of 2ml twice a week. As my body fat is fairly high i would like some advice of what would be best to diet on, does this cycle which i plan tend to be best for bulking or trimming? I have started rugby again so train tuesday and play saturday, as such cv exercise is easily there but i still plan to do 4 days a week on muscle training in the gym.

I would like to end up being very defined but unsure whether its best to trim now then bulk up the muscle or bulk now and trim in a few months?!

Anyway, here is a photo i took earlier (un pumped!):



Any comments and opinions welcome fellas!

Keithy5

Forgot to add that i'm 6' 2" before someone asks and also it is late at night and i'm tired so photo does not do me any justice what so ever! :rolleye11

13stonetarget

Hey mate, well done posting up your pic. Good peaks on the biceps. How long have you been training?

I'm surprised you've chosen to use steroids after only 6 months of weight training, you're better off getting the rest of your training solid first TBH. Do you understand PCT? What's your diet like? What's your training like?

If you want to lose some body fat do some cardio before breakfast 2-3 times a week and try to do some cardio after your weights sessions, you'll drop some body fat that way.

Keithy5

Well i had been training for about almost 2 years but the first year and half i only went for a few weeks here and there and nothing too extensive. The past 6 months i have been training hard 4-6 times a week. I have training very solid tbh and know what i'm doing...... relatively!

Not sure what PCT is?!

My diet consists of:

Breakfast:

1 x Fruit Juice
1 x 2 Slices of Toast
1 x Porridge

Mid-Morning:

1 x Protein Shake
1 x 2 Ham & Cheese Rolls

Lunch:

1 x Pasta Dish/Jacket Potato etc.
1 x Rice Pudding
1 x Fruit Juice

Mid-Afternoon:

1 x 2 Pieces of Chicken Fillet
1 x Protein Shake

Tea:

1 x Boiled Potatos/Jacket Potato with Chicken etc.
1 x Yogurt

Supper:

1 x Egg/Beans on Toast
1 x Protein Shake

Up until the past couple of weeks when i've started rugby i tended to do:

Monday:

Chest

Tuesday:

Biceps

Wednesday:

Back:

Thursday:

Legs & Triceps

Friday:

Shoulders

This will all now change slightly due to the Rugby starting up again and i will be training certain body parts together. Hope this helps with peoples advise. I would like to become much more trim and i do work like hell in the gym so will all come in time.

My current goals are being able to lift 90lb on a dumbbell press routine amd stacking the local pec-dec etc. so strength is easily there i just need to get on the gear again in order to gain some muscle mass much easier.

13stonetarget

Okay, PCT is Post Cycle Therapy, it is used to get your natural hormone balance back to normal after a cycle. Go to the steroid section of the site and read up on it, it is important!

As for your diet, you need protein in your first meal, either a bunch of eggs, a protein shake, etc. Ham and cheese rolls aren't a great mid-morning, try tuna & a jacket potato or a chicken breast and some rice etc.

Your routine looks like you're overtraining. I would do 2-3 workouts a week, something along the lines of:

Workout A: Chest, shoulders & tri's (flat bench, military press, incline DB press, skull crushers)

Workout B: Legs & back (squats, deads, pull ups, bent over rows)

Get some core work in there, too.

This works well for me.

13stonetarget

Oh, you could also do with getting some good fats, vegetables and fruit into your diet, too...

Keithy5

Thanks for the info mate. I think with only being able to do the gym 3-4 times a week will mean your workout sounds better. I'm not too sure on the diet i'm taking at the moment as i don't want to put on massive amounts more weight just yet until i've lost some fat?!

I might consider doing chest with something else and shoulders with something else but tbh don't fancy doing them together as i would be very weak come shoulders after chest!!

Forgot to mention i do have vegetables and fruit with the meals and as snacks on my desk! Oops

Do you know fella whether the diet i'm doing and the cycle i'll be on is a decent one and one for gaining muscle size and not just fat. I do a fair bit of CV for training so think this will fair well!

megatron

I'd forget the roids at the moment mate... Especialy when your diet needs so much work.

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13stonetarget

You could do an all body workout like this one:

------------ this was written by ONESMARTCOOKIE -------------

Squats 1x20 reps taking 3-5 breaths between each rep.... use a weight you would normally use for 10 reps and keep grinding them out rest pause (3-5 breaths) style till you hit 20...then rack and throw up...rest for 10 minutes...

Rest of workout....

Bench press 2x10
Standing press behind head 2x10
Bent over rows 2x10
Barbell curls 1x10
Lying tricep extensions (dumbbells) 1x10
Stiff legged deadlift 1x15
Core Work

------------ this was written by ONESMARTCOOKIE -------------

You could do that 2-3 times a week. Hard work, but should give you results.. ;)

Keithy5

Te be honest i feel comfortable doing the training i'm doing, i have been doing 4-5 routines a night for each muscle group and feel this is working well for me. I can lift and control a good set of weights and mixing them up and perhaps only 3 routines per muscle group may be better?!

When i had my first cycle i did noticeably put size on and looked alot better than i do now. I train with a lad who has won competitions so i believe i am focusing down the correct route!?

MXMAD

You been training for about 6 months?

You finished a cycle about 6 months ago?

Am i right in thinking you ran a cycle soon as you started training?

Im only a newbie and ive just gained 12lb in 6 weeks natty.

Get your diet nailed and you will grow

Robsta

Mate, way too early to be thinking juice. But you'll probably do it anyway. Training and diet need a better look at 1st as they are not too great imo. I mean a day on biceps, then mixing tri's with legs....why not do arms as a whole??

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megatron

Frankly speaking the guy needs to start again in terms of both diet and training. Sorry Kieth dude, it's not gonna be what you want to hear - but it's my honest opinion. Of course taking tren will make you grow anyway (I can't believe your mate gave you tren for the FIRST even steroid) but you didnt keep any gains and you still don't really look very muscular (dont get me wrong, there is a good base). I commend you for posting up your pics and asking for advice, I just hope that you take it even though it's not what you want mate.

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Robsta

Remember Keith. we are here to help, and help you we will, but it isn't always what you want to here unfortunately

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Keithy5

I am very grateful for the help in fact. Constructive criticism is what i am after. The diet which i am currently working on was recommended by the gym owner infact but would someone be able to manufacture/ammend my diet?!