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carpe diem · 07-01-2007, 09:05 PM

soon i`ll be on my first cycle of sus n dec so thought i`ld do a before and after for all you guys (and gals) and me, watch this space:lift:

mant01 · 07-01-2007, 09:31 PM

Good luck mate, look forward to seeing the results. Make the most of it and train hard:lift:

carpe diem · 07-01-2007, 09:54 PM

cheerz mant , looking forward to it, especially with my line of work i need to bulk up:lift:

skizxi · 07-01-2007, 10:08 PM

what you work as and whats your cycle look like?

carpe diem · 07-01-2007, 10:12 PM

i`m a security officer, i`m taking sus and dec but not sure whether to mix or take each one on seperate days

Borris · 08-01-2007, 12:01 AM

im on a sust and deca cycle, on a monday i just have one amp of sust 250mg and on a thursday i have 250mg sust and 250mg of deca, and i draw it up into the same barrel

Nameless · 08-01-2007, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by carpe diem

soon i`ll be on my first cycle of sus n dec so thought i`ld do a before and after for all you guys (and gals) and me, watch this space:lift:

Make sure ur diet and training is top notch before u touch gear buddy...Good Luck

carpe diem · 08-01-2007, 07:11 AM

sounds like a good cycle boris, i have a good diet nameless and am balanced out at 11st 5lb at the mo, i wouldn`t say my training is top notch as ive only be doing it for 9 mnths but my technique is good and i know i can push harder enough to work the gear, cheerz buddies.

**big** · 08-01-2007, 07:45 AM

Dude, at 11st5 with only 9 months of training behind you, which you admit isn't top notch, you shouldn't be touching gear yet.

Get a 2-3 years of natural training behind you and a decent diet and you should be able to get up to around 13-14 stone before you even need to consider gear.

**Great White** · 08-01-2007, 08:50 AM

Saw this thread this morning when I woke up and planned to respond to it when I got to work.

Looks like Big beat me too it tho.

9 Months and thinking about getting on the gear!!??

You aint gonna gain well, you'll add fat, you'll prolly damage your liver, do you even know how to inject and safe injection techniques?

Do you know what sust is and how it actually effects the body and how it does make you grow?

do you know about the effects of deca, positive and negative?

Do you know about PCT and Anti-E meds that need to be taken along side it.

Do you know of all the support vitamins and minerals that you have to take with the cycle?

Is your diet spot on? if your 11 stone then i highly doubt it.

It may sound harsh mate, but you really aint ready for gear - you`ll end up either damaging yourself one way or another.

carpe diem · 08-01-2007, 09:05 AM

thanx for your concern guys and don`t worry about being harsh as i know you all know what ur talking out, as to your questions i know some of the answers and maybe i haven`t being training long enough but ive spoke to peeps down the gym and i`ll be alright, ive done a short course before but gonna do it properly this time, i`m gonna take nolva for pct also vitamins etc, gonna start to eat loads of pasta,rice, potatoes, veg etc and keep it clean. i`m not going for mr universe or anything just gonna do a couple of cycles so i can get to around 13-14 stone then i`ll be happy, but who knows might go for bigger in time.

**Tinytom** · 08-01-2007, 09:30 AM

Looks like you've got a good base to start from mate you are very lean at the moment with good muscle tone.

Sus and deca is the most popular course in my experience of working with the Bristol Drugs Project ( I run a steroid drop in there) but it's not the best in terms of Gains : Sides. It was my first course as well but I noticed better gains when I switched the compounds around for example Winstrol and Sus is a better course in terms of muscle mass results in my experience.

I don't agree with you doing gear after such a short period of training but it's your decision as you are an adult, just remember that sooner or later you may decide that coming off gear is for you and you will return to your previous size.

I hear a lot of guys saying that they only want to do one course to see how they get on, or they want to get to this weight and then stop.

TBH nothing can compare to training on gear mate and if I'm being truthful I hate being off because of the mortality of you training when compared to being on. Just bear that in mind as if you aren't prepared for that sort of switch when you come off you'll end up back on sooner than you should be which in the long term will lead to a psychological addiction (I've seen this loads).

Not a lecture just some guidance. Hope you get the results you want.

Littleluke · 08-01-2007, 11:38 AM

I said that Tom.. I'll only do one cycle of dbol.. Next on the list and already bought is sust + npp.. I thought I was strong minded LOOL

carpe diem · 08-01-2007, 11:49 AM

thanx for the advice tom, greatly appreciated, you mentioned about downsizing to your normal size when off the gear so it seems no point for me to even go on the gear, i thought once you built up the muscle tissue it would stay for quite a while, do you not keep any of your gains even with hard training and eating alot of the right stuff, i don`t wanna risk it if i`m just gonna lose it again

**Tinytom** · 08-01-2007, 11:59 AM

Muscle tissue you build will stay for a while mate but you would have built that in an artificial environment and your body will find it hard to sustain that level of muscle off gear after a while.

The size that you normally lose styraight after a course is glycogen load and water retention which is what makes you look flat.

Dont get me wrong, you may keep some of your gains but without a solid base of years of natural training and nutrition that trains your body to maintain that level of growth before gear you will lose it more quickly. Its all about conditioning your body to grow.

If you dont get some good natural growth in before gear your body will not know any other way to grow and so your gains while off will be stalled or reversed.

07-01-2007, 09:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
mant01 lift till I break Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Durham Posts: 134	Re: me before roids,watch this space Good luck mate, look forward to seeing the results. Make the most of it and train hard:lift:

07-01-2007, 09:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
carpe diem work hard train harder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: i live in england Posts: 56	Re: me before roids,watch this space cheerz mant , looking forward to it, especially with my line of work i need to bulk up:lift:

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skizxi Looking Freaky Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: north wales Posts: 531	Re: me before roids,watch this space what you work as and whats your cycle look like?

07-01-2007, 10:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
carpe diem work hard train harder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: i live in england Posts: 56	Re: me before roids,watch this space i`m a security officer, i`m taking sus and dec but not sure whether to mix or take each one on seperate days

08-01-2007, 12:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
Borris ★☆★★☆ Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 610	Re: me before roids,watch this space im on a sust and deca cycle, on a monday i just have one amp of sust 250mg and on a thursday i have 250mg sust and 250mg of deca, and i draw it up into the same barrel

08-01-2007, 07:11 AM	#8 (permalink)
carpe diem work hard train harder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: i live in england Posts: 56	Re: me before roids,watch this space sounds like a good cycle boris, i have a good diet nameless and am balanced out at 11st 5lb at the mo, i wouldn`t say my training is top notch as ive only be doing it for 9 mnths but my technique is good and i know i can push harder enough to work the gear, cheerz buddies.

08-01-2007, 07:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
big UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Beer me Posts: 5,264	Re: me before roids,watch this space Dude, at 11st5 with only 9 months of training behind you, which you admit isn't top notch, you shouldn't be touching gear yet. Get a 2-3 years of natural training behind you and a decent diet and you should be able to get up to around 13-14 stone before you even need to consider gear. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,246	Re: me before roids,watch this space Saw this thread this morning when I woke up and planned to respond to it when I got to work. Looks like Big beat me too it tho. 9 Months and thinking about getting on the gear!!?? You aint gonna gain well, you'll add fat, you'll prolly damage your liver, do you even know how to inject and safe injection techniques? Do you know what sust is and how it actually effects the body and how it does make you grow? do you know about the effects of deca, positive and negative? Do you know about PCT and Anti-E meds that need to be taken along side it. Do you know of all the support vitamins and minerals that you have to take with the cycle? Is your diet spot on? if your 11 stone then i highly doubt it. It may sound harsh mate, but you really aint ready for gear - you`ll end up either damaging yourself one way or another. __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

08-01-2007, 09:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
carpe diem work hard train harder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: i live in england Posts: 56	Re: me before roids,watch this space thanx for your concern guys and don`t worry about being harsh as i know you all know what ur talking out, as to your questions i know some of the answers and maybe i haven`t being training long enough but ive spoke to peeps down the gym and i`ll be alright, ive done a short course before but gonna do it properly this time, i`m gonna take nolva for pct also vitamins etc, gonna start to eat loads of pasta,rice, potatoes, veg etc and keep it clean. i`m not going for mr universe or anything just gonna do a couple of cycles so i can get to around 13-14 stone then i`ll be happy, but who knows might go for bigger in time.

08-01-2007, 09:30 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,607	Re: me before roids,watch this space Looks like you've got a good base to start from mate you are very lean at the moment with good muscle tone. Sus and deca is the most popular course in my experience of working with the Bristol Drugs Project ( I run a steroid drop in there) but it's not the best in terms of Gains : Sides. It was my first course as well but I noticed better gains when I switched the compounds around for example Winstrol and Sus is a better course in terms of muscle mass results in my experience. I don't agree with you doing gear after such a short period of training but it's your decision as you are an adult, just remember that sooner or later you may decide that coming off gear is for you and you will return to your previous size. I hear a lot of guys saying that they only want to do one course to see how they get on, or they want to get to this weight and then stop. TBH nothing can compare to training on gear mate and if I'm being truthful I hate being off because of the mortality of you training when compared to being on. Just bear that in mind as if you aren't prepared for that sort of switch when you come off you'll end up back on sooner than you should be which in the long term will lead to a psychological addiction (I've seen this loads). Not a lecture just some guidance. Hope you get the results you want. __________________ We are what we do. Excellence is therefore a habit not a skill. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Code 'UKM 110' for an extra 5% discount To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Coming Soon To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also mod at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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08-01-2007, 11:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
carpe diem work hard train harder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: i live in england Posts: 56	Re: me before roids,watch this space thanx for the advice tom, greatly appreciated, you mentioned about downsizing to your normal size when off the gear so it seems no point for me to even go on the gear, i thought once you built up the muscle tissue it would stay for quite a while, do you not keep any of your gains even with hard training and eating alot of the right stuff, i don`t wanna risk it if i`m just gonna lose it again

08-01-2007, 11:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,607	Re: me before roids,watch this space Muscle tissue you build will stay for a while mate but you would have built that in an artificial environment and your body will find it hard to sustain that level of muscle off gear after a while. The size that you normally lose styraight after a course is glycogen load and water retention which is what makes you look flat. Dont get me wrong, you may keep some of your gains but without a solid base of years of natural training and nutrition that trains your body to maintain that level of growth before gear you will lose it more quickly. Its all about conditioning your body to grow. If you dont get some good natural growth in before gear your body will not know any other way to grow and so your gains while off will be stalled or reversed. __________________ We are what we do. Excellence is therefore a habit not a skill. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Code 'UKM 110' for an extra 5% discount To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Coming Soon To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also mod at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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