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**Tinytom** · 28-09-2006, 04:23 PM

IMO Running gear for that long is not beneficial as you create a false environment that the body shifts it's hormone levels to accomodate.

I think that there'll be a whole heap of shutdown related sides when you do come off.

That being said you are an adult and capable of making your own decisions. A lot of top level athletes never come off gear year round or they take very short breaks unfortunately thats the level thats required at the top of the game.

Your gains look very hard and lean so you should be commended on that however I woudl disagree with your tactics.

However this is a bodybuilding board and DQ has done just that, I'm sure he's not recommending this approach to everyone same as I would not recommend my way of life to everyone, it's all learning at the end of the day guys so lets keep the personal comments to a minimum.

Littleluke · 28-09-2006, 04:53 PM

I didn't mean to come acorss insulting.. :(

Tatyana · 29-09-2006, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukeybigarms

What are you on about Tat? I'm 19 for a start and have been training over a year.. I've done loads of research on gear and it's 100% clear that running a cycle for that long should have made better results and has put a stupid amount of strain on his body regardless of gettin his bloods done. I respect your knowledge on bodybuilding T but I expressed an opinion which I am entitled to do so..

This is a forum T where we are entitled to express our opinions. The cycle was run far to long and better results could have been achieved..

You've always got something to say in regards to my post, but like i said it's a forum so you're entitled to your opinion. I don't follow this one cause I don't read all your posts. Yes I did when you first posted.

I am just really disappointed you are taking steroid against all the advice and support you were given not to.

These are incredibly powerful drugs, and so many (not directed at you specifically), think they can pop them like smarties, that all those terrible side effects are not going to happen to them.

When I was younger, I thought I was immortal, bombproof.

SO not the case.

Also, as I currently have an 18 year old flatmate, I am reminded at how irresponsible and reckless 18 year olds can be. My flatmate is not that bad, but some of her mates, OMG!

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winger · 29-09-2006, 03:35 AM

There is a fine line between use and abuse. :smoke:

**hackskii** · 29-09-2006, 04:01 AM

Every thing in moderation.

Man oh man, that is everything.

Littleluke · 29-09-2006, 11:52 AM

I know what your saying Tat but there is "as stated above" a line between use and abuse.. Abuse is evident from reading this post... The guy has abused gear so I disagree completelly with what he has done to hmself.. Short and sweet is how it should be done.. I respect natural bodybuilders 150%! That includes you Tat so I'd expect the same respect back as I've done nothing but research gear to hell and give my opinions.. I'd say I was quite knowledgable on training and diet as I've managed to go from a 9 and a half stone weasel to a solid 12 stone AND CLIMBING.
Tatyana :love:,

Littleluke · 29-09-2006, 11:52 AM

LOL Jamie

Tatyana · 29-09-2006, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamiedsmith1981

Hold up Tatyana you have an 18yr old flatmate? And she comes in late with her ****ed up pals? ......er hello?

When do you want me to pop round and put that wardrobe for you? I'll make sure I wear a tight t-shirt and jeans

Yes, Trinity (and that is her real name).

It may be a 'temporary' situation as my flat is not really more than one bedroom

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Littleluke · 29-09-2006, 12:10 PM

Snorbitz1uk · 29-09-2006, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatyana

Yes, Trinity (and that is her real name).

It may be a 'temporary' situation as my flat is not really more than one bedroom

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Post some pics. I may be able to put her up for a fee

Tatyana · 29-09-2006, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukeybigarms

I know what your saying Tat but there is "as stated above" a line between use and abuse.. Abuse is evident from reading this post... The guy has abused gear so I disagree completelly with what he has done to hmself.. Short and sweet is how it should be done.. I respect natural bodybuilders 150%! That includes you Tat so I'd expect the same respect back as I've done nothing but research gear to hell and give my opinions.. I'd say I was quite knowledgable on training and diet as I've managed to go from a 9 and a half stone weasel to a solid 12 stone AND CLIMBING.
Tatyana :love:,

Luke,

A lot of people would say that a 19 year old taking steroids is ABUSE.

Don't start injecting.

Use your natural test levels for a few more years, you have put on 2.5 stone in what, 6 months?

Do you have those lovely stretch marks across your delts? Anywhere else?

What is the rush?

What you do know could impact you a lot later on in life.

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Tatyana · 29-09-2006, 12:18 PM

oh you won't have the stretch marks yet.

Those happen when you come OFF the gear, there is muscle loss, skin shrinks back down if I am correct.

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Littleluke · 29-09-2006, 12:19 PM

It's nice that you show some concern! I won't be running injectables for some time T don't you worry.. I can't say I never thought about it though.

Littleluke · 29-09-2006, 12:20 PM

T I've trained naturally for a year now! Haven't been using gear to get where I've got to. It's a recent alteration.

Timmy Smooth · 29-09-2006, 12:25 PM

'Abuse' really is a relative term, mind. In all things, one person's abuse is another's [I]use[I]. I'd say it takes a more experienced person to make an informed judgement. It's easy enough to just jump on this guy and class him as an abuser because he hasn't done a more conventional 10-week cycle. But there's plenty of people out there that stay on 20,30,40weeks or all-year round. And not necessarily just IFBB pros, either. Yeah, some of them might suffer consequently, but others won't. Not everyone that robs a bank gets caught.

28-09-2006, 04:23 PM	#31 (permalink)
Tinytom Alpha 6 super hypno moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 8,448	IMO Running gear for that long is not beneficial as you create a false environment that the body shifts it's hormone levels to accomodate. I think that there'll be a whole heap of shutdown related sides when you do come off. That being said you are an adult and capable of making your own decisions. A lot of top level athletes never come off gear year round or they take very short breaks unfortunately thats the level thats required at the top of the game. Your gains look very hard and lean so you should be commended on that however I woudl disagree with your tactics. However this is a bodybuilding board and DQ has done just that, I'm sure he's not recommending this approach to everyone same as I would not recommend my way of life to everyone, it's all learning at the end of the day guys so lets keep the personal comments to a minimum. __________________ Half price bodyshop stuff. PM me for details Opening Soon Ministry of Fitness Gym 'If you cannot see the road then you make one' www.performancehypnosis.co.uk - achieve your goals, believe in change

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28-09-2006, 04:53 PM	#32 (permalink)
Littleluke Boditronics pocket size stud. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK. Posts: 3,779	I didn't mean to come acorss insulting.. :(

29-09-2006, 03:35 AM	#34 (permalink)
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29-09-2006, 11:52 AM	#36 (permalink)
Littleluke Boditronics pocket size stud. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK. Posts: 3,779	I know what your saying Tat but there is "as stated above" a line between use and abuse.. Abuse is evident from reading this post... The guy has abused gear so I disagree completelly with what he has done to hmself.. Short and sweet is how it should be done.. I respect natural bodybuilders 150%! That includes you Tat so I'd expect the same respect back as I've done nothing but research gear to hell and give my opinions.. I'd say I was quite knowledgable on training and diet as I've managed to go from a 9 and a half stone weasel to a solid 12 stone AND CLIMBING. Tatyana :love:,

29-09-2006, 11:52 AM	#37 (permalink)
Littleluke Boditronics pocket size stud. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK. Posts: 3,779	LOL Jamie

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29-09-2006, 12:18 PM	#42 (permalink)
Tatyana My name is EARL Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On my bloody bike doing cardio Posts: 3,427	oh you won't have the stretch marks yet. Those happen when you come OFF the gear, there is muscle loss, skin shrinks back down if I am correct. x x x T

29-09-2006, 12:19 PM	#43 (permalink)
Littleluke Boditronics pocket size stud. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK. Posts: 3,779	It's nice that you show some concern! I won't be running injectables for some time T don't you worry.. I can't say I never thought about it though.

29-09-2006, 12:20 PM	#44 (permalink)
Littleluke Boditronics pocket size stud. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK. Posts: 3,779	T I've trained naturally for a year now! Haven't been using gear to get where I've got to. It's a recent alteration.

29-09-2006, 12:25 PM	#45 (permalink)
Timmy Smooth Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Camden, London, via Cardiff. Posts: 2,791	'Abuse' really is a relative term, mind. In all things, one person's abuse is another's [I]use[I]. I'd say it takes a more experienced person to make an informed judgement. It's easy enough to just jump on this guy and class him as an abuser because he hasn't done a more conventional 10-week cycle. But there's plenty of people out there that stay on 20,30,40weeks or all-year round. And not necessarily just IFBB pros, either. Yeah, some of them might suffer consequently, but others won't. Not everyone that robs a bank gets caught.