Pscarb

romaine is lettuce salad mate....

i have the macros down some where not being funny chris as i am all up for helping mate but you need to help yourself sometimes mate as it is the best way to learn so use one of the many nutrition databases out their like fitday.com to get the values....

as for "diet pills" non would be my answer whilst you are taking clen but if you are going to rotate the clen then a decent OTC fat burner will suffice the only one i have used in the last 12 months is the fatburner from Extreme...

Chris4Pez

ok m8 will do, TBH i do like doing things myself as i do like working things out and also learning things but i just thought would ask!

you have helped loads m8 cheers the reason i asked about the fat burner is you said to take 1 3times a day in the 1st page or would you say not to in my case?

Pscarb

you have to understand chris this post was directed at someone else mate with entirly different cicumstances to yourself.

there is nothing wrong with asking mate in fact i encourage it but if you look up the values to these foods you will learn values to others which will in turn increase your overall knowledge but if i just post them up you learn nothing if you see what i mean....

now because you are using Clen then i would only use a Fatburner whilst on the off rotation to clen personelly i would not of had you use clen i would of gone down the OTC fatburner route first then the ECA route then on to clen...

Chris4Pez

oh ok i will try it that way mate cheers, i will try the diet then also try the OTC fat burner abd then a eca stack (which i have looked into btw) and then clen!

What OTC fat burner would you suggest then mate? cus as you probabily already know there are many many out there!

hackskii

Chris, diet first bro.
When diet stalls then you can add.

Good post Paul

Chris4Pez

TBH scott i jave tried diet and also cutting carbs but i find it hard to work out on cutting carbs as i dont think i was eating enough calories!

i understand the principle of eat less calories than you burn which equals losing weight but its hard to keep working out if your calories drop to low and its hard to find the level balance on it if you know what i mean especially for us newbies out there!!!!!

i will try this diet and see how i get on with it and also do a lot more cardio but if it does not work alonw\e then i will try other methods such as OTC or ECA or even clen.

TBH i have always found it hard to get my BF down even when i was going into the army and was losing weight by doing resistance and also doin circuit training but the BF for some reason was still fairly high!

I think it has a lot to do with my body type and as a kid i was not that active either so i think that has a lot to play on it as well, of course i could be wrong!!!!!

hackskii

Could be your body type, but I do think that if you modified your diet this would change things some.

If you are having problems with working out while cutting carbs it is probably due to you being a sugar burner, this will change after your body accepts the fact that it is forced to use fat for fuel when using a traditional ketogenic diet. It will take anywhere from 3 to around 5 days to switch the switch from sugar burning to fat burning.
Ketones then will be used for fuel, once this happens you feel pretty damn good with no high and lows, pretty consistant.

Two people can diet, using the vary same amount of carbs, on low GI, and the other high GI, gram for gram they provide the same fuel, but at the end the higher GI diet will yield more bodyfat than the lower GI carbs, even though the total calories are the same.
So much for the calorie in and calorie out thing.
Yes, you will need to burn more than you take in, but what you take in is as important as restricting the calories.

I have to go to a meeting, I will put some thoughts down after.
I will give you some ideas on how you could do things to avoid excess muscle loss or fat gain during dieting.
That wont come from a pill....lol

Chris4Pez

cheers m8

ba baracuss

Would it not be a better idea to just concentrate on losing the excess weight/fat through cardio and a diet tailored solely to losing weight, and when that goal has been achieved, then look at putting some muscle on?

It appears from your posts that you're struggling to eat the right things to lose weight and grow muscle at the same time, which is understandable.

I would just try and lose the weight first myself.

Rono26

As posted earlier in this thread I have started the Keto diet on Page 1 of this thread which I am doing for 4-6weeks depending on results.
Im 6 days in and its going well...
On day 4 i really struggled with my weights session, day 5 I had the biggest cravings for sugary/carb food since starting. Today (day 6) i blitzed my session - having read what Hackski wrote in the quote above, im thinking this is the reason why! Any thoughts?
Also for ChrisPez, ive been on an ECA stack, with moderate Ephedrine and Asprin,and a good amount of Caffine - I have found this as an energy boost for body and mind before my morning cardio and weights session.

PScarb - Im actually really enjoying the diet, not been hungry at all, and apart from the cravings on day 5 its all been good. Hopefully i will get the results with it. Will post on here. I take it I shouldnt be hungry??
I have cut the eggs from 8 to 6 as the ones i have are quite large and 6 seems plenty... Unless you see a problem with that?

I do however have a Party that I have to attend 3 weeks in. Which will mean eating poorly and drinking... will this seriously impact upon my diet, and what im trying to achieve above and beyond the excess calories?
Im guessing using a product like eat and cheat wont help as its the carbs that will be doing the damage?!?

Thanks for the advice fella's.

hackskii

Once the body switches from burning sugars to burning fats you wont be hungry and watch what happens to your energy.
I feel better on keto diets than regular ones. 1 rep max is the same but stamina is reduced.

takeone

if following this sort of diet on a cutter would you not even have fast actng carbs in your pwo shake,
would you just have protein in your shake or would you add some fat with it?

Pscarb

your PWO shake would be protein only, you have to understand guys this is an extreme diet and will not fit everyone.
this is something i use to blow out all the cobwebs when i prep a BB for show prep before i switch to carb cycling..

takeone

thanks pscarb i think ill give it a go for a bit.

Rono26

Hi guys, Im now in to week 3 of the keto diet posted on page 1. Results are going well, and im happy on the diet. However, Ive been experiancing a very dry mouth when training. Do you think this is down to the diet, or the ECA stack im taking??