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Old 23-01-2008, 08:42 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed!

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Big has a point there...

i would again advocate a keto style diet i just put a freind on a diet just like this and he has lost 8lbs in the first week which the majority will be water but saying that yours will to.
it is pretty extreme and not for the faint hearted here it is..

Meal 1:
8 whole eggs

Meal 2:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 3:
8 oz. of lean meat with large bowl of romaine with 1 Tbsp flax/Olive oil and vinegar

Meal 4:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 5:
8 oz. lean meat with 1 serving of cashews/peanuts

Meal 6:
8 oz. lean meat with 1 serving of cashews/peanuts.

pick one day a week normally a sat for one Hour eat 300 g of carbs then back on the diet.

do 1 session of cardio in the morning before breakfast of 40min walking is best as any thing over 65% of max and you will burn carbs instead of fat.

take a fatburner 3x daily
take Clen at 80mcg per day 2 weeks on 2 weeks off...

this should drop a fair amount of weight this is extreme but you did say you wanted to do what it takes....fast..
If this is extreme would i be losing muscle as well as my BF?

Also would i be able to do the above mentioned routine plz comment!!!!!!!
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Old 23-01-2008, 09:21 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed!

jesus mate you dont want much do you...

if i was you at 22% BF i would concentrate on losing the fat then focus on the muscle...
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Old 23-01-2008, 09:40 PM   #63 (permalink)
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so would you carry on doing that routine on that diet?
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Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed!

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jesus mate you dont want much do you...

if i was you at 22% BF i would concentrate on losing the fat then focus on the muscle...
what bf would you get down to then?

i do appreciate help n advice
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Old 23-01-2008, 09:51 PM   #65 (permalink)
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sorry dnt mean 2 be a pain
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training is training if you are benefiting from this routine then why change it??

i would say a good BF% to aim for is 15% then when you get there you will have the knowledge diet wise to focus your thoughts on building muscle...this diet will maintain muscle at the very least, if you follow it then you will drop fat that is a fact...
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Old 23-01-2008, 09:56 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed!

ok paul appreciate your advice mate maybe i will give it a try its just i didn't want my hard earned muscles being lost as that would surely be a step back wards even though i would be losing BF!
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Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed!

Too aggressive dieting can cause some muscle loss, try to stick to around 2 pounds a week max.
Nice thing tho, the more bodyfat you have, kind of the more aggressive dieting you can do and spare more lean muslce mass.
Flip side is when trying to gain muscle when you have some good amount of bodyfat, you do gain muscle but fat too.

The leaner you are, the more muscle you will build when bulking.
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Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed!

cheers Scott that explains a lot then in my situation as i have been cutting carbs down and tbh i have also been lifting heavier weights but also at the same time i think i have been gaining extra BF which would co-inside with what you have just said

So basically don't worry bout losing muscle mass as i will gain it back plus more after when bulking but with less BF is that correct????

See i think i did it back to front, i bulked b4 cutting when i think i should have cut and then bulked then cut again!!!!

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if i am gonna do clen is there anything else i have to do with it e.g PCT or anything like that?
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sorry to seem so dumb but i am a fairly newboe to all this sort of thing especially gear
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No, clen needs no PCT, but your biggest bang for your buck will be diet.
When dieting try to eat often, eat smaller meals that contain fiber, up the protein.
Read the calorie is not a calorie thread on BOI, many tid bits of information will give you some clues to what not or what to do.

As long as you are doing resistance training, keeping the carbs lower GI, eating frequently, you will lose weight.
If done too aggressive then more muscle might be lost but the most aggressive can be done when bodyfat is high, once you get below or around 17 to 18 percent then try to only lose about a pound a week.
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the diet at the begining chris has enough protein and fats so that you should not lose muscle, but as you lose BF you will lose size and you may think some of this is muscle i will say that as long as you are following this diet you will be fine i have used it on many guys and girls all with good results...
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Meal 2:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 3:
8 oz. of lean meat with large bowl of romaine with 1 Tbsp flax/Olive oil and vinegar

Meal 4:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 5:
8 oz. lean meat with 1 serving of cashews/peanuts

Meal 6:
8 oz. lean meat with 1 serving of cashews/peanuts.

pick one day a week normally a sat for one Hour eat 300 g of carbs then back on the diet.
whats this???

also this diet what would the calorie count be and also what is the macro count if you dont mind me asking?
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will defo give it a try what diet pills do you reccomend taking with the clen????
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