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**hackskii** · 04-12-2007, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by invisiblekid

Also - where does PWO nutrition feature?

Meat, eggs, etc.

Keto diets do work and work fast, if you eat any carbs, choose a vegetable source that is high in fiber like broccoli, asparagus, cauliflower, green beans, etc.
This way you wont have to deal with constipation.
Also, supplementing Omega 3's is a fantastic idea and recommended.

Workouts wont change much other than the stamina, overall one rep max wont change but the rep range will some.

I find it strange that I actually have more energy on keto diets.

DRED · 14-01-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pscarb

Peg - yes you are correct it would be a little extreme you could adjust the diet i suggest maybe this rotation.

Day 1:
Meal 1:
4 egg whites
2 whole eggs
50g Oats

Meal 2:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 3:
6 oz. of lean meat with large bowl of romaine with 1 Tbsp flax/Olive oil and vinegar

Meal 4:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 5:
6 oz. lean meat with Salad + 1 serving of cashews/peanuts.

Meal 6:
6 oz. lean meat with Salad + 1 serving of cashews/peanuts.

Day 2:
Meal 1:
4 egg whites
2 whole eggs
50g Oats

Meal 2:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 3:
6 oz. of lean meat 50g (dry weight) Basmati rice + 1Tbsp Olive oil/Flax oil

Meal 4:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 5:
6 oz. of lean meat 50g (dry weight) Basmati rice + 1Tbsp Olive oil/Flax oil

Meal 6:
6 oz. lean meat with Salad + 1 serving of cashews/peanuts.

Day 3:
Meal 1:
6 whole eggs

Meal 2:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 3:
6 oz. of lean meat with large bowl of romaine with 1 Tbsp flax/Olive oil and vinegar

Meal 4:
Two scoops of pro peptide with 1 serving of natural peanut butter with water.

Meal 5:
6 oz. lean meat with 1 serving of cashews/peanuts

Meal 6:
6 oz. lean meat with 1 serving of cashews/peanuts.

Repeat...

on the 7th day eat 300 g of carbs over the day.

hope this helps Peg...

hi paul what would 1 serving of cashews/peanuts weigh?

cheers

TH&S · 14-01-2008, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

I find it strange that I actually have more energy on keto diets.

Same here - but I would phrase it as 'I have less lethargy' - which I put down to the lack of insulin spiking

**hackskii** · 14-01-2008, 06:10 PM

One drawback of keto diets is cortisol and also sluggish thyroid. But the worse sides is the band-aid smelling breath and I get some funky smell after 6 weeks that does not smell good at all.
Only way I can explain it is when I sit down I smell some crazy crotch funk or something.
Man, I get a massive complex when this happens.

If you do decide to do a keto diet, once you re-introduce the carbs you have to do this very slowly.

Rono26 · 15-01-2008, 07:18 PM

Is swapping one of the portions on nuts for avacado an option?
Over what time frame would you reintroduce carbs?
Thoughts?

Reesy · 19-01-2008, 09:07 AM

Quick question. Doesn't 50g of oats have near on 30g of carbs in? Would it be better to just eat eggs instead for a keto diet? Was just wondering if it makes too much difference at breakfast time.

**Pscarb** · 19-01-2008, 10:07 AM

one serving of nuts/seeds is 50g in weight...

Advocado would fit the bill for replacing the nuts...
50g of oats do contain 30g of carbs but where are you getting the impression this is a Keto diet?? this is a carb cycling diet day 1/2 and 3 have all got different amounts of carbs plus this was created for a women....

there is no need to reintroduce the carbs as they where never taken out.....

guys i created this diet for a women and it was part of a whole plan you are seeing only half the picture....in my opinion Keto diets are a waste of time because at some point you will want to eat more carbs and then all your hard work will soon dissapear carb cycling is by far a much better way to eat in general...

Rono26 · 21-01-2008, 06:20 PM

Paul - I was refering to the Diet you gave on page 1 of this thread - a Keto diet.

**Pscarb** · 21-01-2008, 08:14 PM

ok mate got you, although that diet is only used short term before you switch to a carb cycling diet like above...

pauly7582 · 22-01-2008, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rono26

Paul - I was refering to the Diet you gave on page 1 of this thread - a Keto diet.

It was also 3 years ago mate. Opinions can change as we learn ;-)

Chris4Pez · 22-01-2008, 09:29 PM

hi Paul at the minute i am getting good gains in terms of my weights and progressing with them, i have posted up my routine before and got feedback off different ppl (feel free to take a look if you like to give you an idea of what i do)
But at the minute my BF is at around 22% and i want to lose BF without losing Muscle in fact i want to carry on gaining muscle if possible, so any suggestions in diet to do this

My stats are as follows;
22 years old
Natty trainer (at minute)
Train 4 days a week split
currently @ around 22% bf (wanting to get to around 10% if possible)
dont want to lose muscle mass if can help it and if possible want to carry in gaining muscle mass!
am currently just over 15st.

so in my situation where you want to gain muscle an lose BF what diet would you suggest????

**hackskii** · 22-01-2008, 10:02 PM

I think Paul would suggest diet.

Chris4Pez · 22-01-2008, 11:18 PM

yh but what i mean is how would he do it as i have cut carbs but i wanted a sample template of how my diet should look if i was either zig zaging my calories/carbs or doing a carb deficit diet or what ever it is called!

**Pscarb** · 23-01-2008, 12:10 AM

what i would suggest to you is to do the diet on the first page for 6 weeks then switch to carb cycling, i put my training partner on a slightly modified version of this diet and he has lost 18lbs in 2 weeks obviously mostly water but then weight is weight....

Chris4Pez · 23-01-2008, 04:33 PM

by doing this would i still be able to keep/gain muscle mass?

Also would it be ok on this routine?

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/getting-s...y-routine.html

14-01-2008, 06:10 PM	#49 (permalink)
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Rono26 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 37	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! Is swapping one of the portions on nuts for avacado an option? Over what time frame would you reintroduce carbs? Thoughts?

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Reesy Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 36	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! Quick question. Doesn't 50g of oats have near on 30g of carbs in? Would it be better to just eat eggs instead for a keto diet? Was just wondering if it makes too much difference at breakfast time.

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Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,511	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! one serving of nuts/seeds is 50g in weight... Advocado would fit the bill for replacing the nuts... 50g of oats do contain 30g of carbs but where are you getting the impression this is a Keto diet?? this is a carb cycling diet day 1/2 and 3 have all got different amounts of carbs plus this was created for a women.... there is no need to reintroduce the carbs as they where never taken out..... guys i created this diet for a women and it was part of a whole plan you are seeing only half the picture....in my opinion Keto diets are a waste of time because at some point you will want to eat more carbs and then all your hard work will soon dissapear carb cycling is by far a much better way to eat in general... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

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Rono26 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 37	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! Paul - I was refering to the Diet you gave on page 1 of this thread - a Keto diet.

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Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,511	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! ok mate got you, although that diet is only used short term before you switch to a carb cycling diet like above... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

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Chris4Pez “If you can dream it, you can do it.” Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,164	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! hi Paul at the minute i am getting good gains in terms of my weights and progressing with them, i have posted up my routine before and got feedback off different ppl (feel free to take a look if you like to give you an idea of what i do) But at the minute my BF is at around 22% and i want to lose BF without losing Muscle in fact i want to carry on gaining muscle if possible, so any suggestions in diet to do this My stats are as follows; 22 years old Natty trainer (at minute) Train 4 days a week split currently @ around 22% bf (wanting to get to around 10% if possible) dont want to lose muscle mass if can help it and if possible want to carry in gaining muscle mass! am currently just over 15st. so in my situation where you want to gain muscle an lose BF what diet would you suggest????

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hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,694	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! I think Paul would suggest diet. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

22-01-2008, 11:18 PM	#58 (permalink)
Chris4Pez “If you can dream it, you can do it.” Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,164	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! yh but what i mean is how would he do it as i have cut carbs but i wanted a sample template of how my diet should look if i was either zig zaging my calories/carbs or doing a carb deficit diet or what ever it is called!

23-01-2008, 12:10 AM	#59 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,511	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! what i would suggest to you is to do the diet on the first page for 6 weeks then switch to carb cycling, i put my training partner on a slightly modified version of this diet and he has lost 18lbs in 2 weeks obviously mostly water but then weight is weight.... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

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Chris4Pez “If you can dream it, you can do it.” Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,164	Re: Big, PSCarb & other diet experts... advice needed! by doing this would i still be able to keep/gain muscle mass? Also would it be ok on this routine? http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/getting-s...y-routine.html

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