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FatBurner · 20-07-2005, 10:50 AM

Thanks guys, just chowed down my first 8 scrambled eggs this morning so we are underway! I will keep you updated as to my progress.:lift:

**Great White** · 17-05-2006, 12:53 PM

bumping this for later reading.

**big pete** · 17-05-2006, 01:08 PM

an omlette with onions and fibrous veg (brocolli) is a good way of getting the eggs down first thing in the morning

BIG-UNC · 17-05-2006, 01:19 PM

could i use this diet as a test diet?

i mean instead of going full throttle on a comp diet now!

some wicked info on this thread cant believe ive missed it on my searches

**hackskii** · 17-05-2006, 04:07 PM

Sure you could Uncle, you might have to change your name to skinny Unc

For me lowering the carbs some makes all the diffrence in the world for not being hungry.
It is when I start pounding the carbs that I start to eat them and almost cant stop.
By eating more fats and protein and less carbs after about 3 days you will notice you wont have the hunger pains, this is probably due to the fact that blood sugar levels will be more stable due to less insulin being used.
Also doing that the body decides to switch off the glucose furnace and switch on the fat furnace.
Makes a huge diffrence with me.

I also eat every 2 hours at work, small portons, carbs, proteins, fats all together.
I drink 20 oz of water 30 minutes before I eat or 1.5 hours after.
When dieting my last meal is usually just protein and fat.

I was doing the carb loading every 4 days but that just made me very hungry then I tended to overfeed, that was not productive of my goal.

RAIKEY · 17-05-2006, 04:41 PM

what your saying bout the hunger thing is spot on Hackskii,...

the first 8 weeks of my cut looked like hell, on paper,..but in practice it was fine, cutting back the carbs to zero and using fats for energy gave me a wider choice of foods,(tho i seemed to stick to just chicken and cashews)
and no cravings, (peaks and troughs in sugar/insulin levels)....

i could happily maintian such a diet,(and probably will),....to stay lean....

it was the final 4 weeks that were hell. when i cut out all the fat and started with minimal carbs ........

does a fat defficient diet affect the brain at all ??

cos i could feel it starting to slowly turn me crazy (not a joke) so i put a bit of fats in and..... bang! i was fine for a day.....take em out and i turned into a right miserable ghet!!......

for me ,next time, its fats all the way for the cut .......

**Aftershock** · 17-05-2006, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

If you add yohimbe to that ephedrine you will just totally love that. Yohimbe makes ephedrine work much better and you wont need as much ephedrine either.
Combined with some coffee or caffene and you will almost go up onto flames. I get very hot on that.

Drink lots of water too mate.

Just be carfull mixing these two as the combined effect its much more potent that the sum of their parts.. Start very low on the yohimbe or even try it on its own first.

**hackskii** · 17-05-2006, 04:59 PM

Yohimbe can elevate blood pressure too. I know a few people that cant take yohimbe. I dont abuse that one as I do know it can give me high blood pressure.

The brain does need fat and low fat diets are not all that healthy, they can have problems with compromised immune system, low test levels, among other things.
But low carb diets can have their share of problems too like elevated cortisol levles, low T3 output, etc.

But for the mind you mind, Omega 3's are tops, good stuff there.
I do eat carbs but it is limited. I am starting to add them slowly now but I do want to lose another 5 lbs.

I am going to take some pics but I dont think I am lean enough right now to do so. I am planning on doing another cycle in a short time so maybe this is the best time to do that

Bodyfat will be lower and the muscles fuller, hey that aint a bad combo

Peg · 17-05-2006, 06:57 PM

This thread is excellent.

How do you get off the plateau?

I think I'm going to try the diet, but maybe not that extreme.

Please make this a standing sticky!

I find when I'm using the fats I don't crave food and I'm happier.
I'm less moody, my brain is quicker, I have more energy, and I feel good.
You know those PMS moments are far and few when they should be more acute.
My family should kiss your feet, Hackskii!!

My eating habits are changing such that I want the fats, the fibrous vegies, nuts, and meat and don't want the carbs.
I still have trouble with drinking enough water.

You should write a book and include that awesome bibliography you have.
You can use me as a success story!

hackskii, you are aces! :first:

**hackskii** · 17-05-2006, 08:40 PM

Well, I was on another board battling the whole board and I got overwhelmed. Everything I did to back my statements got flamed by about 6 diffrent guys.
It got to the point I just told them it worked and I didnt have the pubmed case studies to prove it but I knew it worked.
They told me it was dogma.

Sometimes you just know things to be true on how your own body responds to certain foods.
Everything that I read supports this.

But the calorie in calorie out folks say diffrent.

How do you get off a plateau?
Well, plateau's can be because dieting can lower thyroid output. If this is the cause the add some carbs back in the thyroid fires back up and then you go back to the diet.

Cortisol also can be a factor in diets, but adding some carbs back in stops that as well, also there are cortisol blockers out on the market which I do take in the morning when cortisol is highest and that helps too.

But a cheat day never hurts. I actually dont like the idea of a whole cheat day as when I start eating carbs I can get rather hungry and out of control.
So the last meal or so every 4 days helps here by adding carbs.
But I drop the fat and protein. Then the next day start back low carbing it.

But right now I am adding in very slowly the carbs. I am still at a defecit, still losing but rather slowly. I only have 5 or so pounds left so I am in no hurry. I still feel like I am getting leaner as the body adjusts to the carbs slowly and the defecit is still there.

I think it is confusion that tricks the body.
The body is smart, it does not want to stay anabolism.
Also when the body is not getting enough calories it will convert your muscle to fuel. The body does this because this lowers the requirement of fuel when less muscle is present. With less muscle is present less fuel is required and this is the body's way of adjusting itself.

But choosing fiberous vegetables are a super smart way of eating carbohydrates when you are dieting.
This allows you to have good elimination, lowers the Glycemic load of that meal, provides the body with vitamins and minerals, among other healthfull things.

Thanks for the complaments Peg, I think you are aces too.

Tatyana · 18-05-2006, 11:05 AM

K I hate to admit this, but as I have NOT been able to train or do cardio to my liking with surgery and Uni, I may have to do this bloody hit it hard low carbs thing. :boohoo:

It will probably be a blessing in disguise.

B*LLUX (k done moaning now)

x
x
x
T

8 weeks out and an exam in 2, has anyone studied on low carbs? I think I will be having a refed on exam day FOR SURE!

**hackskii** · 18-05-2006, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatyana

K I hate to admit this, but as I have NOT been able to train or do cardio to my liking with surgery and Uni, I may have to do this bloody hit it hard low carbs thing. :boohoo:

It will probably be a blessing in disguise.

B*LLUX (k done moaning now)

x
x
x
T

8 weeks out and an exam in 2, has anyone studied on low carbs? I think I will be having a refed on exam day FOR SURE!

Oh darling, you just might like it if you try it

Speaking of liking, why dont you call me?:love:

**Pscarb** · 18-05-2006, 04:41 PM

the diet i suggested is extreme and i only advocated it in this instance because we was dealing with a time restriction.
i would normally advocate a carb cycleing regime as this would be more beneficail over the long term for muscle retention.

also it has to be acknowledged that we all deal with low carbs diffrently i can function pretty well on less than 10g of carbs for 3-4 days whilst others cannot with carbs less than 50 or 100g you need to evaluate where you sit as an individual.

also we all have diffrent goals in our training regime if you are following a decent intense workout along with cardio you can eat more carbs and still lose weight very fast(carb cycling).....

Hackski - i know what you mean about the diffrent nuts i am now a big fan of almonds but in my experiance more people get on with peanuts better than other nuts hence why the suggestion plus having 20g of PB is a nice change from time to time..

Tatyana · 18-05-2006, 07:38 PM

Ok I am getting into a limited time thing Paul.

I know I can rip up quite well in about 6 weeks if my chub is not too high.

My fat is all redistributed though, I have less on my arms and legs than last season.

SO if I do keto diet, better to do it earlier me thinks, than later?

I would rather be too lean and have to eat up to fill out a bit again.

I do like carb cycling, and carb tapering through the day.

x
x
x
T

Peg · 19-05-2006, 03:27 AM

I want to do Paul's diet but I'm wondering if it may be too extreme for what I am about to do in my training.

I'm in a time crunch too. I've got to increase my MA training to get ready for a MA test in July. I need to lose fat and gain some lean muscle and strength especially in abs and inner thighs so my stances can be deep and my movements more balanced and stronger. I also need to increase my strength in my lower back and jump higher.

New routine:
T and Th morning and evening 45 minute intensive MA class.
W evening 45 minute intensive MA class.
Saturday - (every other Saturday) 45 minute intensive MA class.

Carb cycle to eat more calories on T, W, and Th when I am expending the calories.
Carb taper on other days.

Where would be a good place to put my weight training in this new MA routine.
What kind of weight training routine would be advised?

Is the diet above that Paul suggests adequate for this kind of training or should I add to it?

Tatyana: I've studied on low carb before and even took a major exam. What time of day are you studying? When is your best time of the day for accomplishing learning tasks? Keeping the blood sugar level in a mid range will allow you to study on low carb. I always eat a couple of hard boiled eggs or a handful of nuts before I study instead of other carbs when I get the hankering for some energy boost. Interesting.. they both have protein and fat.

Go Scott! and it was a nutritionist 30 years ago that told me to eat these things when I needed high mental acuity.
It worked for me every time.

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hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,714	Sure you could Uncle, you might have to change your name to skinny Unc For me lowering the carbs some makes all the diffrence in the world for not being hungry. It is when I start pounding the carbs that I start to eat them and almost cant stop. By eating more fats and protein and less carbs after about 3 days you will notice you wont have the hunger pains, this is probably due to the fact that blood sugar levels will be more stable due to less insulin being used. Also doing that the body decides to switch off the glucose furnace and switch on the fat furnace. Makes a huge diffrence with me. I also eat every 2 hours at work, small portons, carbs, proteins, fats all together. I drink 20 oz of water 30 minutes before I eat or 1.5 hours after. When dieting my last meal is usually just protein and fat. I was doing the carb loading every 4 days but that just made me very hungry then I tended to overfeed, that was not productive of my goal. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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RAIKEY Please do not feed the Raikey, it may bite.!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deepest, Darkest , Yorkcestershire,...Ayup See thee!! Posts: 3,378	what your saying bout the hunger thing is spot on Hackskii,... the first 8 weeks of my cut looked like hell, on paper,..but in practice it was fine, cutting back the carbs to zero and using fats for energy gave me a wider choice of foods,(tho i seemed to stick to just chicken and cashews) and no cravings, (peaks and troughs in sugar/insulin levels).... i could happily maintian such a diet,(and probably will),....to stay lean.... it was the final 4 weeks that were hell. when i cut out all the fat and started with minimal carbs ........ does a fat defficient diet affect the brain at all ?? cos i could feel it starting to slowly turn me crazy (not a joke) so i put a bit of fats in and..... bang! i was fine for a day.....take em out and i turned into a right miserable ghet!!...... for me ,next time, its fats all the way for the cut ....... __________________ I used to have a large gay following.......but i hid behind some cars and lost him!!

20-07-2005, 10:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
FatBurner Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11	Thanks guys, just chowed down my first 8 scrambled eggs this morning so we are underway! I will keep you updated as to my progress.:lift:

17-05-2006, 04:59 PM	#23 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,714	Yohimbe can elevate blood pressure too. I know a few people that cant take yohimbe. I dont abuse that one as I do know it can give me high blood pressure. The brain does need fat and low fat diets are not all that healthy, they can have problems with compromised immune system, low test levels, among other things. But low carb diets can have their share of problems too like elevated cortisol levles, low T3 output, etc. But for the mind you mind, Omega 3's are tops, good stuff there. I do eat carbs but it is limited. I am starting to add them slowly now but I do want to lose another 5 lbs. I am going to take some pics but I dont think I am lean enough right now to do so. I am planning on doing another cycle in a short time so maybe this is the best time to do that Bodyfat will be lower and the muscles fuller, hey that aint a bad combo __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

17-05-2006, 06:57 PM	#24 (permalink)
Peg Getting HUGE! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,468	How do you get off the plateau? This thread is excellent. How do you get off the plateau? I think I'm going to try the diet, but maybe not that extreme. Please make this a standing sticky! I find when I'm using the fats I don't crave food and I'm happier. I'm less moody, my brain is quicker, I have more energy, and I feel good. You know those PMS moments are far and few when they should be more acute. My family should kiss your feet, Hackskii!! My eating habits are changing such that I want the fats, the fibrous vegies, nuts, and meat and don't want the carbs. I still have trouble with drinking enough water. You should write a book and include that awesome bibliography you have. You can use me as a success story! hackskii, you are aces! :first: __________________ "21st century man is not conquered by guns, nor by oppression, but by seduction." "Pride to the human heart is like lard to the pig." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn "The best punch is the one that is both first, last, and ends the fight."

17-05-2006, 08:40 PM	#25 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,714	Well, I was on another board battling the whole board and I got overwhelmed. Everything I did to back my statements got flamed by about 6 diffrent guys. It got to the point I just told them it worked and I didnt have the pubmed case studies to prove it but I knew it worked. They told me it was dogma. Sometimes you just know things to be true on how your own body responds to certain foods. Everything that I read supports this. But the calorie in calorie out folks say diffrent. How do you get off a plateau? Well, plateau's can be because dieting can lower thyroid output. If this is the cause the add some carbs back in the thyroid fires back up and then you go back to the diet. Cortisol also can be a factor in diets, but adding some carbs back in stops that as well, also there are cortisol blockers out on the market which I do take in the morning when cortisol is highest and that helps too. But a cheat day never hurts. I actually dont like the idea of a whole cheat day as when I start eating carbs I can get rather hungry and out of control. So the last meal or so every 4 days helps here by adding carbs. But I drop the fat and protein. Then the next day start back low carbing it. But right now I am adding in very slowly the carbs. I am still at a defecit, still losing but rather slowly. I only have 5 or so pounds left so I am in no hurry. I still feel like I am getting leaner as the body adjusts to the carbs slowly and the defecit is still there. I think it is confusion that tricks the body. The body is smart, it does not want to stay anabolism. Also when the body is not getting enough calories it will convert your muscle to fuel. The body does this because this lowers the requirement of fuel when less muscle is present. With less muscle is present less fuel is required and this is the body's way of adjusting itself. But choosing fiberous vegetables are a super smart way of eating carbohydrates when you are dieting. This allows you to have good elimination, lowers the Glycemic load of that meal, provides the body with vitamins and minerals, among other healthfull things. Thanks for the complaments Peg, I think you are aces too. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

18-05-2006, 11:05 AM	#26 (permalink)
Tatyana My name is EARL Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On my bloody bike doing cardio Posts: 3,463	K I hate to admit this, but as I have NOT been able to train or do cardio to my liking with surgery and Uni, I may have to do this bloody hit it hard low carbs thing. :boohoo: It will probably be a blessing in disguise. B*LLUX (k done moaning now) x x x T 8 weeks out and an exam in 2, has anyone studied on low carbs? I think I will be having a refed on exam day FOR SURE!

18-05-2006, 04:41 PM	#28 (permalink)
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18-05-2006, 07:38 PM	#29 (permalink)
Tatyana My name is EARL Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On my bloody bike doing cardio Posts: 3,463	Ok I am getting into a limited time thing Paul. I know I can rip up quite well in about 6 weeks if my chub is not too high. My fat is all redistributed though, I have less on my arms and legs than last season. SO if I do keto diet, better to do it earlier me thinks, than later? I would rather be too lean and have to eat up to fill out a bit again. I do like carb cycling, and carb tapering through the day. x x x T

19-05-2006, 03:27 AM	#30 (permalink)
Peg Getting HUGE! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,468	On time crunch also I want to do Paul's diet but I'm wondering if it may be too extreme for what I am about to do in my training. I'm in a time crunch too. I've got to increase my MA training to get ready for a MA test in July. I need to lose fat and gain some lean muscle and strength especially in abs and inner thighs so my stances can be deep and my movements more balanced and stronger. I also need to increase my strength in my lower back and jump higher. New routine: T and Th morning and evening 45 minute intensive MA class. W evening 45 minute intensive MA class. Saturday - (every other Saturday) 45 minute intensive MA class. Carb cycle to eat more calories on T, W, and Th when I am expending the calories. Carb taper on other days. Where would be a good place to put my weight training in this new MA routine. What kind of weight training routine would be advised? Is the diet above that Paul suggests adequate for this kind of training or should I add to it? Tatyana: I've studied on low carb before and even took a major exam. What time of day are you studying? When is your best time of the day for accomplishing learning tasks? Keeping the blood sugar level in a mid range will allow you to study on low carb. I always eat a couple of hard boiled eggs or a handful of nuts before I study instead of other carbs when I get the hankering for some energy boost. Interesting.. they both have protein and fat. Go Scott! and it was a nutritionist 30 years ago that told me to eat these things when I needed high mental acuity. It worked for me every time. __________________ "21st century man is not conquered by guns, nor by oppression, but by seduction." "Pride to the human heart is like lard to the pig." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn "The best punch is the one that is both first, last, and ends the fight."