Thinking about ATKINS DIET - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

TYSON · 29-05-2005, 04:12 PM

Ok i have returned to weights after a long period and have been training again for about 8 months, i have gained some muscle and lost some body fat but i really just want to strip the rest of the bodyfat off now as it is taking to long for me......

Ive just finished a prop/tren/winny cycle and currently on pct.I wont to start another cycle in 8 weeks and would love to be alot leaner at that time.

Basically i want to know if i would loose muscle on the atkins, this diet is mostly protein anyway which builds muscle so i was thinking that maybe if i do atkins to the book but eat a hell of alot more chicken and eggs then would i be able to loose the fat and keep the muscle...........chicken and egg amounts are not limited on atkins.

**big** · 29-05-2005, 04:57 PM

Atkins (as written in the book) for bodybuilding is not a great idea. HOWEVER, a cyclical ketogenic diet is an excellent idea. This is basically atkins with a weekly carb-up. Take a look here: http://www.c-k-d.com

It's actually what I'm running at the moment for cutting. You do have to keep the fats very high, and the protein moderate (putting the protein high would cause the body to convert the protein to glucose which will kick you out of ketosis and eliminate the purpose of the diet) and eliminate all carbs apart from on the weekly carb-up.

You will need to get some ketostix to ensure you get into ketosis each week if you're going to run a ketogenic diet. You also can't be afraid to eat a LOT of fats from eggs, mayo, butter, pork, oils etc etc.

It's very effective, but is also a pretty technical way of dieting, so the best thing you can do is go to the url I gave above and read the forums there, and come up with a meal-plan from that.

**Pscarb** · 29-05-2005, 07:32 PM

i agree with Big on the atkins diet for bodybuilders....

i prefer a Carb Cycling approach which is not that diffrent to what Big is suggesting....apart from the amount of fats.....

to be honest and i don't know what you are eating but if anybody restricted the amount of carbs to some degree in their diet they will lose fat that is fact but some cannot restrict carbs too much as it effects their training and that is not what you want..

John · 29-05-2005, 07:38 PM

i got a book recently by Dan Duchaine, in it he goes into both suggetions you have put up, he talks about carb cycling, and two different options on the Atkins type, 1 where you eat Atkins style for 5 days and have a 2 day carb up, and another where you do 6 days atkins style and 1 day carb up.

I got on okay on both, i might try the carb cycling next, but i want to find out about fat loss from other routes to aid the process.

TYSON · 29-05-2005, 08:23 PM

Cheers lads, just looked at the link big suggested and it looks great BUT......as i have never been great with diet plans and food intakes ect: it looks complicated to me. I dont think i can get my head around all that stuff :(

Can any one give me a days menu just to start off with so i can play around with it, been on diata for 5 months and have had enough of it but it does work, i just need a change for a while......

height.....5ft/8
weight.....204lbs just finished cycle, was 190lbs

how much protein/fat/carb will i need to maintain muscle and loose fat before next cycle in 7 weeks.

TYSON · 29-05-2005, 08:25 PM

I know i have nothing on most of you guys but here is some stats

weight..........204
neck.............18 1/2 "
chest............48"
arms............17"
for arms.......13"

Bigdav · 29-05-2005, 08:46 PM

I'd say a better bet would be to cycle your carbs, keep them low four days, higher for 2 then double them for 1. For example, set a level, say 200g for your low days, allows you to function like a normal human being. 300g for your 2 higher days then 400g for the last day. Going low carbs allows you to burn more bodyfat for energy, and after 3-4 days your metabolism starts to slow down. Bumping up your carbs tricks the body into thinking youre off the diet and your metabolism cranks up again. Then your back on the low carbs with a fast metabolism. Worked well for me, i tried the atkins and lost sh8tloads of weight, but felt like i dropped a tonne of muscle too. If your after quick weightloss, go for the atkins though

ONE SMART COOKIE · 29-05-2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TYSON

Cheers lads, just looked at the link big suggested and it looks great BUT......as i have never been great with diet plans and food intakes ect: it looks complicated to me. I dont think i can get my head around all that stuff :(

Can any one give me a days menu just to start off with so i can play around with it, been on diata for 5 months and have had enough of it but it does work, i just need a change for a while......

height.....5ft/8
weight.....204lbs just finished cycle, was 190lbs

how much protein/fat/carb will i need to maintain muscle and loose fat before next cycle in 7 weeks.

PM me tyson your email addy I might have something you`ll like.

TYSON · 30-05-2005, 10:57 AM

Ive sent a PM osc.........

29-05-2005, 04:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Thinking about ATKINS DIET Ok i have returned to weights after a long period and have been training again for about 8 months, i have gained some muscle and lost some body fat but i really just want to strip the rest of the bodyfat off now as it is taking to long for me...... Ive just finished a prop/tren/winny cycle and currently on pct.I wont to start another cycle in 8 weeks and would love to be alot leaner at that time. Basically i want to know if i would loose muscle on the atkins, this diet is mostly protein anyway which builds muscle so i was thinking that maybe if i do atkins to the book but eat a hell of alot more chicken and eggs then would i be able to loose the fat and keep the muscle...........chicken and egg amounts are not limited on atkins. __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

29-05-2005, 04:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
big UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Beer me Posts: 5,229	Atkins (as written in the book) for bodybuilding is not a great idea. HOWEVER, a cyclical ketogenic diet is an excellent idea. This is basically atkins with a weekly carb-up. Take a look here: http://www.c-k-d.com It's actually what I'm running at the moment for cutting. You do have to keep the fats very high, and the protein moderate (putting the protein high would cause the body to convert the protein to glucose which will kick you out of ketosis and eliminate the purpose of the diet) and eliminate all carbs apart from on the weekly carb-up. You will need to get some ketostix to ensure you get into ketosis each week if you're going to run a ketogenic diet. You also can't be afraid to eat a LOT of fats from eggs, mayo, butter, pork, oils etc etc. It's very effective, but is also a pretty technical way of dieting, so the best thing you can do is go to the url I gave above and read the forums there, and come up with a meal-plan from that. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

29-05-2005, 07:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
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29-05-2005, 07:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
John EFBB Winner Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,245	good info from both you guys here i got a book recently by Dan Duchaine, in it he goes into both suggetions you have put up, he talks about carb cycling, and two different options on the Atkins type, 1 where you eat Atkins style for 5 days and have a 2 day carb up, and another where you do 6 days atkins style and 1 day carb up. I got on okay on both, i might try the carb cycling next, but i want to find out about fat loss from other routes to aid the process. __________________ *“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”*

29-05-2005, 08:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Cheers lads, just looked at the link big suggested and it looks great BUT......as i have never been great with diet plans and food intakes ect: it looks complicated to me. I dont think i can get my head around all that stuff :( Can any one give me a days menu just to start off with so i can play around with it, been on diata for 5 months and have had enough of it but it does work, i just need a change for a while...... height.....5ft/8 weight.....204lbs just finished cycle, was 190lbs how much protein/fat/carb will i need to maintain muscle and loose fat before next cycle in 7 weeks. __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

29-05-2005, 08:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	I know i have nothing on most of you guys but here is some stats weight..........204 neck.............18 1/2 " chest............48" arms............17" for arms.......13" __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

29-05-2005, 08:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bigdav Feel like making love!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Where am i again? Posts: 615	I'd say a better bet would be to cycle your carbs, keep them low four days, higher for 2 then double them for 1. For example, set a level, say 200g for your low days, allows you to function like a normal human being. 300g for your 2 higher days then 400g for the last day. Going low carbs allows you to burn more bodyfat for energy, and after 3-4 days your metabolism starts to slow down. Bumping up your carbs tricks the body into thinking youre off the diet and your metabolism cranks up again. Then your back on the low carbs with a fast metabolism. Worked well for me, i tried the atkins and lost sh8tloads of weight, but felt like i dropped a tonne of muscle too. If your after quick weightloss, go for the atkins though __________________ Height - 5' 11" Weight - 235 Chest - 48" Waist - 35" Arms - 18" legs - 28" Calves - 17" Bench - 130 * 6 Squat - 150 * 6 Deads - 160 * 6

30-05-2005, 10:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Ive sent a PM osc......... __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift: