Why is the fat in your middle last to go? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

JohnO · 06-05-2005, 11:53 PM

I'm not there yet got a few pounds to loose before I even know were my abs might be.

However, I'm interested to know why the belly fat is last to go. Whats different about it? How does the body know its diferent?

ChefX · 07-05-2005, 12:57 AM

insulin sensitive hence you loose from there firt and last

Timmy Smooth · 07-05-2005, 01:02 AM

I think there's a gender trait as well - men tend to carry more fat deposits in belly area, whereas women its hips/thighs.

ChefX · 07-05-2005, 12:48 PM

Thats the estrogen effect timmy... put a woman on the pill and she gets visited by the titty fairy because she picks up fats in her breasts from the estrogen.

I had a great discussion a few days ago with doctors from the cardiology center I volunteer at. We were discussing the role of diabetes on heart disease and of course the issue as normal turns to fat or in this case hard abdominal fats aka white killer lard. point being you can gain or loose that fastest and its the unhealthy stuff, but what lies underneath is the brown adipose tissue aka fat you burn for heat and thats the slowest and last to go. Both are found in the abdomin but you need two different mechanism to remove them. To remove white fat thats what johno was talking about first, you cut back carbs and it vanishes, but brown fat actually is resistant to this so to loose brown fat you need thermogenics/nutrient partitioning or basically to trick the body into thinking its colder than it is (this is why guys like dnp because they simply don't know the truth about how to remove this fat which is easy, but again they take a lazy way out rather than using science and doing it right) anyway to do this you start cooling the body a bit and using upc like yohimbine to allow the body to get an artificial fever (they actually have virals that last 24 hours you can use pre show as well to make you sick, give you a fever and get you shredded) point is, a low carb diet is what removes the fat faster at first, then holding that diet in place as we approach the lower fat levels we start to use fat burners (herbs and such) plus core temperature manipulation (helio, hydro, cryo therapies) to shed those last few bat. Women carry more brown adipose tissue then men (protects their baby makers) and as such they respond better to a slightly higher carb diet (very slight) and those fat burners then men, but men rerspond better to an atkins diet than women because the have more of the white adipose (which is caused by insulin)

so solutions... loose the fat slowly via a lower carb but balanced diet
use helio, hydro, cryo therapies to help loose the bat
use key herbs in low dosages to manipulate core temp slightly to lower bat
if your competeing switch to a cckd anywhere from 4 to 12 weeks out depending on goals and genetics in order to keep thyroid levels optimal but to shed those last few ounces
(IMO)

Does this make sense? or did I just overcomplex it all again?

ChefX · 07-05-2005, 01:11 PM

I forgot to mention...
Or you can just go get liposuction done when you at the middle level of fat (thats about 12% or so) the actually skulpt in the abs better and with it snag some of this brown fat so you can actually get fatter up to 20% and still have what looks to be ads (only if you push they are soft at that point)

Truewarrior1 · 07-05-2005, 01:46 PM

that was a great explanation chef! liposuction .. (thinks about it) nah thats too easy. :P

Timmy Smooth · 07-05-2005, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefX

Thats the estrogen effect timmy... put a woman on the pill and she gets visited by the titty fairy because she picks up fats in her breasts from the estrogen.

Yes, my g/f knows that fairy well!

ChefX · 07-05-2005, 04:10 PM

my wife as well... from a small B to a D cup from it. LOL

Makes me very happy!!

JohnO · 08-05-2005, 11:03 AM

Great answer thanks.

I didn't know there was two different fat types.

Now I'm starting to understand the thing with iced water and seasonings that heat you up. As well as your comments on wearing less clothing and turning the heat down.

Maybe I shouldn't have lit the fire this morning!

Vernon · 13-05-2005, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefX

Thats the estrogen effect timmy... put a woman on the pill and she gets visited by the titty fairy because she picks up fats in her breasts from the estrogen.

I had a great discussion a few days ago with doctors from the cardiology center I volunteer at. We were discussing the role of diabetes on heart disease and of course the issue as normal turns to fat or in this case hard abdominal fats aka white killer lard. point being you can gain or loose that fastest and its the unhealthy stuff, but what lies underneath is the brown adipose tissue aka fat you burn for heat and thats the slowest and last to go. Both are found in the abdomin but you need two different mechanism to remove them. To remove white fat thats what johno was talking about first, you cut back carbs and it vanishes, but brown fat actually is resistant to this so to loose brown fat you need thermogenics/nutrient partitioning or basically to trick the body into thinking its colder than it is (this is why guys like dnp because they simply don't know the truth about how to remove this fat which is easy, but again they take a lazy way out rather than using science and doing it right) anyway to do this you start cooling the body a bit and using upc like yohimbine to allow the body to get an artificial fever (they actually have virals that last 24 hours you can use pre show as well to make you sick, give you a fever and get you shredded) point is, a low carb diet is what removes the fat faster at first, then holding that diet in place as we approach the lower fat levels we start to use fat burners (herbs and such) plus core temperature manipulation (helio, hydro, cryo therapies) to shed those last few bat. Women carry more brown adipose tissue then men (protects their baby makers) and as such they respond better to a slightly higher carb diet (very slight) and those fat burners then men, but men rerspond better to an atkins diet than women because the have more of the white adipose (which is caused by insulin)

so solutions... loose the fat slowly via a lower carb but balanced diet
use helio, hydro, cryo therapies to help loose the bat
use key herbs in low dosages to manipulate core temp slightly to lower bat
if your competeing switch to a cckd anywhere from 4 to 12 weeks out depending on goals and genetics in order to keep thyroid levels optimal but to shed those last few ounces
(IMO)

Does this make sense? or did I just overcomplex it all again?

Its a load of old $hit as you know

sorry
vern

megatron · 13-05-2005, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vernon

Its a load of old $hit as you know

sorry
vern

Again, another constructive - rude comment...

SOMEONE PLEASE BAN THIS ****

ChefX · 13-05-2005, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vernon

Its a load of old $hit as you know

sorry
vern

Don't be sorry, please, explain to us why? Oh master of the armchair.

Vernon · 14-05-2005, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefX

Don't be sorry, please, explain to us why? Oh master of the armchair.

people are fat because they eat more than they burn lets work on that so we can control it forget all the other stuff. K.I.S.S
"simplicity is the tool, used by the wise man ignored by the fool"

kind regards
vern

ChefX · 14-05-2005, 04:43 AM

Vern... the question was why do people loose the fat in the middle last. I gave the scientific answer to this question. One that is proven beyond any doubt with science.

To be honest, for you to step into this question and post up... duh it's because they ate to much, is like someone answering, why is the sun hot.. duh because it's on fire. Irk.
You are a ****ing moron. Stop giving advice before you seriously cause someone some harm. You are not a liscensed nutritionistn (if you are, some moron needs to be shot for giving you one), so stop playing health expert before you hurt someone. This is not grade school stuff here. This is the real world. Grow up, and stop the **** you are spewing out.

megatron · 14-05-2005, 09:24 AM

Yes you are a ****ing retard.

somebody should ban you from this board.

06-05-2005, 11:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
JohnO Looking Freaky Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 601	Why is the fat in your middle last to go? I'm not there yet got a few pounds to loose before I even know were my abs might be. However, I'm interested to know why the belly fat is last to go. Whats different about it? How does the body know its diferent?

07-05-2005, 12:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	insulin sensitive hence you loose from there firt and last __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *The Regimen X Bodybuilding System by The Family of X* In the great Greek poem by Constantine Cavafy titled "Ithaka," We are reminded that it is the voyage and the adventures on the way that count, not the arrival itself.

07-05-2005, 12:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	Thats the estrogen effect timmy... put a woman on the pill and she gets visited by the titty fairy because she picks up fats in her breasts from the estrogen. I had a great discussion a few days ago with doctors from the cardiology center I volunteer at. We were discussing the role of diabetes on heart disease and of course the issue as normal turns to fat or in this case hard abdominal fats aka white killer lard. point being you can gain or loose that fastest and its the unhealthy stuff, but what lies underneath is the brown adipose tissue aka fat you burn for heat and thats the slowest and last to go. Both are found in the abdomin but you need two different mechanism to remove them. To remove white fat thats what johno was talking about first, you cut back carbs and it vanishes, but brown fat actually is resistant to this so to loose brown fat you need thermogenics/nutrient partitioning or basically to trick the body into thinking its colder than it is (this is why guys like dnp because they simply don't know the truth about how to remove this fat which is easy, but again they take a lazy way out rather than using science and doing it right) anyway to do this you start cooling the body a bit and using upc like yohimbine to allow the body to get an artificial fever (they actually have virals that last 24 hours you can use pre show as well to make you sick, give you a fever and get you shredded) point is, a low carb diet is what removes the fat faster at first, then holding that diet in place as we approach the lower fat levels we start to use fat burners (herbs and such) plus core temperature manipulation (helio, hydro, cryo therapies) to shed those last few bat. Women carry more brown adipose tissue then men (protects their baby makers) and as such they respond better to a slightly higher carb diet (very slight) and those fat burners then men, but men rerspond better to an atkins diet than women because the have more of the white adipose (which is caused by insulin) so solutions... loose the fat slowly via a lower carb but balanced diet use helio, hydro, cryo therapies to help loose the bat use key herbs in low dosages to manipulate core temp slightly to lower bat if your competeing switch to a cckd anywhere from 4 to 12 weeks out depending on goals and genetics in order to keep thyroid levels optimal but to shed those last few ounces (IMO) Does this make sense? or did I just overcomplex it all again? __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *The Regimen X Bodybuilding System by The Family of X* In the great Greek poem by Constantine Cavafy titled "Ithaka," We are reminded that it is the voyage and the adventures on the way that count, not the arrival itself.

07-05-2005, 01:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	I forgot to mention... Or you can just go get liposuction done when you at the middle level of fat (thats about 12% or so) the actually skulpt in the abs better and with it snag some of this brown fat so you can actually get fatter up to 20% and still have what looks to be ads (only if you push they are soft at that point) __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *The Regimen X Bodybuilding System by The Family of X* In the great Greek poem by Constantine Cavafy titled "Ithaka," We are reminded that it is the voyage and the adventures on the way that count, not the arrival itself.

07-05-2005, 01:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Truewarrior1 Hulking Out! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: london Posts: 1,824	that was a great explanation chef! liposuction .. (thinks about it) nah thats too easy. :P __________________ When You Dance With The Devil You Wait For The Song To Stop. Currently HULKING OUT!

07-05-2005, 01:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
Timmy Smooth Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Camden, London, via Cardiff. Posts: 2,794	I think there's a gender trait as well - men tend to carry more fat deposits in belly area, whereas women its hips/thighs.

07-05-2005, 04:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	my wife as well... from a small B to a D cup from it. LOL Makes me very happy!! __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *The Regimen X Bodybuilding System by The Family of X* In the great Greek poem by Constantine Cavafy titled "Ithaka," We are reminded that it is the voyage and the adventures on the way that count, not the arrival itself.

08-05-2005, 11:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
JohnO Looking Freaky Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 601	Great answer thanks. I didn't know there was two different fat types. Now I'm starting to understand the thing with iced water and seasonings that heat you up. As well as your comments on wearing less clothing and turning the heat down. Maybe I shouldn't have lit the fire this morning!

14-05-2005, 04:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	Vern... the question was why do people loose the fat in the middle last. I gave the scientific answer to this question. One that is proven beyond any doubt with science. To be honest, for you to step into this question and post up... duh it's because they ate to much, is like someone answering, why is the sun hot.. duh because it's on fire. Irk. You are a **ing moron. Stop giving advice before you seriously cause someone some harm. You are not a liscensed nutritionistn (if you are, some moron needs to be shot for giving you one), so stop playing health expert before you hurt someone. This is not grade school stuff here. This is the real world. Grow up, and stop the you are spewing out. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. The Regimen X Bodybuilding System by The Family of X** In the great Greek poem by Constantine Cavafy titled "Ithaka," We are reminded that it is the voyage and the adventures on the way that count, not the arrival itself.