Help needed for an old git - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

hollis · 16-04-2005, 08:16 PM

Hi guys,
I am rapidly approaching 40 and have been training seriously for around a year following a lay off due to injury. I was previously nearing competition standard and have around 17 years gym experience. My problem is weight loss; i am 6.4 and at present 255lbs. I am not fat but have the old tyre around my middle. My top and middle abs are showing but i cannot shift the tyre no matter what i try. I am a vegetarian and eat clean following a six meal a day program. My diet is high protein with low carbs and fat; no dairy products apart from cottage cheese, skim milk and eggs (no yolks), i also drink around a gallon of water a day. Cardio is 4 days a week, first thing in the morning for around 30 minutes, either jogging with my dogs or on the bike.
I think that i am doing most things right but this stubborn fat is buggin me now. I have been on this diet strictly for around six weeks. Another thing is that i am due to start a cycle of anabol in two weeks and really didnt want to hold any more water..any surggestions or advice would be appreciated. Respect:lift:

Jock · 17-04-2005, 12:05 PM

Your diet is probably letting you down bro, cut down on your carb intake and consider another form of cardio as the one you are doing clearly isn't working for you. Have a look at HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) there is some info on it in these links:

http://www.cbass.com/FATBURN.HTM
http://www.cbass.com/INTERVAL.HTM

Post your daily diet and let the members offer some advice.

Best of luck, Jock

hollis · 17-04-2005, 12:26 PM

Thanks for the advice Jock, i have had a look at HIT and it looks good. I will post my diet this afternoon any feedback would be great. Cheers PJ

hollis · 17-04-2005, 12:48 PM

Hi again my diet looks like this:
8am 2 pints water, 2 weetabix skim milk + large banana
9am 2 pints water
10am Metrx whey shake 1 pint skim milk
11am 2 pints water 2 hard boiled eggs no yolk
12pm 2 tuna and egg wholemeal pitta breads
1pm 1 pint water
2pm Quorn fillet salad no dressing
5pm 1 pint water + 1 banana
6pm fruit smoothy
7pm train
8pm pasta quorn pieces salad
9pm metrx whey shake

Please advise if you can

PJ:lift:

**hackskii** · 17-04-2005, 08:30 PM

I would eat a protein and a fat with every meal.
Back off on the carbs some and add the diffrence as a protein and a good fat.
Like, avacado, fish oils, olive oil.

Your first meal almost has no protein in it.
As well as 2:00, 5:00, and 6:00
Just because you are a vegetarian does not mean that you cant have enough protein.

Also, vegetarians can have deficiencies in B-12, creatine (from lack of meat), among other things. You might want to supp some of that stuff.

I also think that restance training is actually better than cardio for getting rid of fat.
You burn fuel while lifting. You also burn fuel while rebuilding, kindof has a double impact here.
Also the requirement for fuel in muscle is more and this is kindof dieting all in itself.
Muscle requires fuel.
Fat is fuel whether stored of consumed.

Have you considered some circuit training, like whole body workouts with no rest between sets?

hollis · 18-04-2005, 08:38 AM

Hi Scott, Thanks for the advice.
I have not considered circuits as i figured that i would lose mass. If you have a chance i would really appreciate an example diet/workout schedule. I am currently training 3 days a week. Also just about to start an anabol cycle. Please help me if you can Thanks bro.
Paul:lift:

Jock · 18-04-2005, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jock

Your diet is probably letting you down bro, cut down on your carb intake and consider another form of cardio as the one you are doing clearly isn't working for you. Have a look at HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) there is some info on it in these links:

http://www.cbass.com/FATBURN.HTM
http://www.cbass.com/INTERVAL.HTM

Post your daily diet and let the members offer some advice.

Best of luck, Jock

Erm, someone gave me a negative rep point for this post. I'm not offended just shoot me a pm to explain why.

Thanks, Jock

**hackskii** · 18-04-2005, 04:08 PM

I fixed you up Jock

You also got an extra bar right now......

hollis, circuit training is nothing more than walking around the gym doing all the lifts in a day without rest.
This gives you the benifit of resistance training and cardio at the same time. If you have never done it you will be pretty fetigued when you are done.

Example would be like this:
Do a set of bench to where it gets hard on the last one, then go do a set of squats, then without rest you do a set of pulldowns, then a set of abs, then a set of hamstrings, then a set of military press, then a set of bent over rows, then a set of biceps, then a set of inclines, then a set of side laterals, then a set of triceps then a set of rear delts then a set of traps then go home.

Start out by doing only one set of each bodypart with no rest in between. If you put any intensity into it you will be exhausted at the end. You might need to take a couple of days off but you can do this like 3 times a week. You also can run on your off days.

But for cutting, diet is really key.
Carbs, fats and protein with every meal.
Beings that you are a vegitarian then the Atkins/Keto diet is out of the question.

Chas · 18-04-2005, 05:54 PM

Hey Hollis - you ain't an old git yet, more of a youngster.

Some bad news as you get older though - it gets harder - less HGH.

**hackskii** · 18-04-2005, 09:47 PM

Oh yah, less HGH, less testosterone, Less DHEA, less energy, less hair, less skin elasticity, more nerve cell vulnerability, slower metabolism, production of melatonin by the pineal gland falls drastically with age, bone loss, loss of hearing, loss of eyesight, this would be a long list.
Loss of erections

I think Im about there right now

Chas · 19-04-2005, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Oh yah, less HGH, less testosterone, Less DHEA, less energy, less hair, less skin elasticity, more nerve cell vulnerability, slower metabolism, production of melatonin by the pineal gland falls drastically with age, bone loss, loss of hearing, loss of eyesight, this would be a long list.
Loss of erections

I think Im about there right now

Mmm. Haven't noticed too much of any of that yet.

Apart from slight problem with memory.

Chas · 19-04-2005, 01:43 PM

And another thing, "it gets harder" - so no problem with erections!

16-04-2005, 08:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
hollis Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sunny Devon Posts: 24	Help needed for an old git Hi guys, I am rapidly approaching 40 and have been training seriously for around a year following a lay off due to injury. I was previously nearing competition standard and have around 17 years gym experience. My problem is weight loss; i am 6.4 and at present 255lbs. I am not fat but have the old tyre around my middle. My top and middle abs are showing but i cannot shift the tyre no matter what i try. I am a vegetarian and eat clean following a six meal a day program. My diet is high protein with low carbs and fat; no dairy products apart from cottage cheese, skim milk and eggs (no yolks), i also drink around a gallon of water a day. Cardio is 4 days a week, first thing in the morning for around 30 minutes, either jogging with my dogs or on the bike. I think that i am doing most things right but this stubborn fat is buggin me now. I have been on this diet strictly for around six weeks. Another thing is that i am due to start a cycle of anabol in two weeks and really didnt want to hold any more water..any surggestions or advice would be appreciated. Respect:lift:

17-04-2005, 12:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,038	Your diet is probably letting you down bro, cut down on your carb intake and consider another form of cardio as the one you are doing clearly isn't working for you. Have a look at HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) there is some info on it in these links: http://www.cbass.com/FATBURN.HTM http://www.cbass.com/INTERVAL.HTM Post your daily diet and let the members offer some advice. Best of luck, Jock __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

17-04-2005, 12:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
hollis Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sunny Devon Posts: 24	My diet Hi again my diet looks like this: 8am 2 pints water, 2 weetabix skim milk + large banana 9am 2 pints water 10am Metrx whey shake 1 pint skim milk 11am 2 pints water 2 hard boiled eggs no yolk 12pm 2 tuna and egg wholemeal pitta breads 1pm 1 pint water 2pm Quorn fillet salad no dressing 5pm 1 pint water + 1 banana 6pm fruit smoothy 7pm train 8pm pasta quorn pieces salad 9pm metrx whey shake Please advise if you can PJ:lift:

17-04-2005, 08:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,158	I would eat a protein and a fat with every meal. Back off on the carbs some and add the diffrence as a protein and a good fat. Like, avacado, fish oils, olive oil. Your first meal almost has no protein in it. As well as 2:00, 5:00, and 6:00 Just because you are a vegetarian does not mean that you cant have enough protein. Also, vegetarians can have deficiencies in B-12, creatine (from lack of meat), among other things. You might want to supp some of that stuff. I also think that restance training is actually better than cardio for getting rid of fat. You burn fuel while lifting. You also burn fuel while rebuilding, kindof has a double impact here. Also the requirement for fuel in muscle is more and this is kindof dieting all in itself. Muscle requires fuel. Fat is fuel whether stored of consumed. Have you considered some circuit training, like whole body workouts with no rest between sets? __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

18-04-2005, 08:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
hollis Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sunny Devon Posts: 24	Thanks Scott Hi Scott, Thanks for the advice. I have not considered circuits as i figured that i would lose mass. If you have a chance i would really appreciate an example diet/workout schedule. I am currently training 3 days a week. Also just about to start an anabol cycle. Please help me if you can Thanks bro. Paul:lift:

17-04-2005, 12:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
hollis Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sunny Devon Posts: 24	Thanks for the advice Jock, i have had a look at HIT and it looks good. I will post my diet this afternoon any feedback would be great. Cheers PJ

18-04-2005, 04:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,158	I fixed you up Jock You also got an extra bar right now...... hollis, circuit training is nothing more than walking around the gym doing all the lifts in a day without rest. This gives you the benifit of resistance training and cardio at the same time. If you have never done it you will be pretty fetigued when you are done. Example would be like this: Do a set of bench to where it gets hard on the last one, then go do a set of squats, then without rest you do a set of pulldowns, then a set of abs, then a set of hamstrings, then a set of military press, then a set of bent over rows, then a set of biceps, then a set of inclines, then a set of side laterals, then a set of triceps then a set of rear delts then a set of traps then go home. Start out by doing only one set of each bodypart with no rest in between. If you put any intensity into it you will be exhausted at the end. You might need to take a couple of days off but you can do this like 3 times a week. You also can run on your off days. But for cutting, diet is really key. Carbs, fats and protein with every meal. Beings that you are a vegitarian then the Atkins/Keto diet is out of the question. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

18-04-2005, 05:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chas Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 81	Hey Hollis - you ain't an old git yet, more of a youngster. Some bad news as you get older though - it gets harder - less HGH.

18-04-2005, 09:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,158	Oh yah, less HGH, less testosterone, Less DHEA, less energy, less hair, less skin elasticity, more nerve cell vulnerability, slower metabolism, production of melatonin by the pineal gland falls drastically with age, bone loss, loss of hearing, loss of eyesight, this would be a long list. Loss of erections I think Im about there right now __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

19-04-2005, 01:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
Chas Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 81	And another thing, "it gets harder" - so no problem with erections!