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ChefX · 15-02-2005, 04:00 PM

yes Paul I am saying that exactly
read the articles and almost half are ghost written now (always have been) so that bodybuilder you think that is telling you advice is most likely just a pencil neck at a desk and making up crap. (It sells right?)

as far as the studies they twist them a bit here and there to get what they want (but we all do that, only they twist them too far sometimes which is quite normal for a bodybuilding magazine aka its feel like deca LOL) hence I said go read the actual studies. (In this particular case you were right the mrp's did help them as you said, but the trick was they were eating bad to start and the results were not as good as they could have gotten another way BUT they did get the result, yes)

BUT MD is the most entertaining of the bunch at the moment and a good read. Just take it all with a grain(several) of salt.

**hackskii** · 15-02-2005, 04:56 PM

I really feel that leaving out the fruits and vegetables from the diet you are cheating yourself of vital nutrients like but not limited to:

Fibers, both soluble and non soluble this is important for cardiovascular health and a healthy colon.

Vitamin and mineral rich foods, which support everything from muscle constriction to immune support.

Polyphenols, for their role in the prevention of degenerative diseases such as cancer and cardiovascular diseases.

Phytonutrients, which include Carotenoids, Flavonoids (Polyphenols) including Isoflavones (Phytoestrogens), Inositol Phosphates, Lignans, Isothiocyanates and Indoles, Phenols and Cyclic Compounds, Saponins, Sulfides and Thiols, Terpenes.

Enzymes, One of the most common health problems in North America today is poor digestion. There are several reasons for poor digestion, but the two biggest reasons are the inability of your body to produce enough enzymes, and the lack of digestive enzymes in the food that you eat.

Essential Fatty Acids (EFA's), none in MRE's last I checked.......Here is a list of defeciency symptoms:
Eczema-like skin eruptions
Loss of hair
Liver degeneration
Behavioral disturbances
Kidney degeneration
Excessive sweating accompanied by thirst
Drying up of glands
Susceptibility to infections
Failure of wound healing
Sterility in males
Miscarriage in females
Arthritis-like conditions
Heart and circulatory problems
Growth retardation

What about frendly Bacteria? Oh, that's right they dont have those in MRE's either.
Often refered to as intestinal flora, probiotics, frendly bacteria.
Benefits:
Help destroy putrefactive bacteria (the "bad" bacteria) within the lower tract
Help remove toxins from the lower tract and disable possibly carcinogenic bacteria
Help normalize intestinal pH
Help repair damage to the digestive tract

You don’t get this in MRP’s.

These things are vital for good health and by taking the easy road and cracking a bar or mixing a drink, you are cheating yourself of a healthy meal.

Many things in nature occur for a reason and science cant mimic it nor imitate it. When you isolate natures buffers out of the picture you are looking for problems.

If you eat those fast food MRE’s and such then you have to supplement other things in your diet to make up the void.
Sure you can live a normal life but when most people get sick, they look for a diet that will help this or that.
Hey, damage already done at this point.

Gridlock · 20-02-2005, 02:01 PM

Just want to say you guys are amazing! I have learned so much from this forum, a few months ago I had no clue about insulin and fat storage etc, these are basic things that the general public simply have no idea about.

I was talking to my Nan the other night and she had read an article in her newspaper about healthy diet and she was saying things like: "and you should eat salad cream not mayonase, apparently mayo is very bad" & "did you know that tomato sauce contains lots of sugar" This was all news to her, Its really scary to think she (and a million others) did not already know that!

IMO basic things like how to read a nutritional information labels should be taught in school to everyone.

It's like the whole fatties suing McDonalds thing, I thought they were just trying to scam some money out of them (i mean how can anyone not know mcdonalds is high calorie) but I am starting to think maybe people really are that dumb! No the UK and US are facing massive obesity problems

**hackskii** · 21-02-2005, 11:00 PM

Simple problem.
Its just the body's responce to food.

Certain foods should be avoided altogether and some of these foods people just pound down like it was good or something.

Food is really like a drug.

supafly · 07-03-2005, 08:46 PM

Where do you get your chicken breasts from? i tried my local supermarket and its mostly processed stuff like Bernard Mathews. And its pretty expensive.

**big** · 07-03-2005, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supafly

Where do you get your chicken breasts from? i tried my local supermarket and its mostly processed stuff like Bernard Mathews. And its pretty expensive.

Try your local butchers or a farm shop.

Lauren · 08-03-2005, 12:01 PM

I usually buy mine from Costco in Watford - dead cheap. You can get 8-10 very large chicken breasts for about £8.00 I think.

If I can't get there I get them from Tescos - frozen packs (the healthy living ones) U get about 6-8 for about £5 I believe. Some are quite small tho! But they will do when your out of luck with everywhere else.
Other than that your local butcher should be able to do a real good deal.
We went to our one a few months ago and said we were going to be buying regularly in bulk from him and he did us a really good deal. Plus they are a lot larger breasts than the ones u get from supermarkets.

15-02-2005, 04:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	I really feel that leaving out the fruits and vegetables from the diet you are cheating yourself of vital nutrients like but not limited to: Fibers, both soluble and non soluble this is important for cardiovascular health and a healthy colon. Vitamin and mineral rich foods, which support everything from muscle constriction to immune support. Polyphenols, for their role in the prevention of degenerative diseases such as cancer and cardiovascular diseases. Phytonutrients, which include Carotenoids, Flavonoids (Polyphenols) including Isoflavones (Phytoestrogens), Inositol Phosphates, Lignans, Isothiocyanates and Indoles, Phenols and Cyclic Compounds, Saponins, Sulfides and Thiols, Terpenes. Enzymes, One of the most common health problems in North America today is poor digestion. There are several reasons for poor digestion, but the two biggest reasons are the inability of your body to produce enough enzymes, and the lack of digestive enzymes in the food that you eat. Essential Fatty Acids (EFA's), none in MRE's last I checked.......Here is a list of defeciency symptoms: Eczema-like skin eruptions Loss of hair Liver degeneration Behavioral disturbances Kidney degeneration Excessive sweating accompanied by thirst Drying up of glands Susceptibility to infections Failure of wound healing Sterility in males Miscarriage in females Arthritis-like conditions Heart and circulatory problems Growth retardation What about frendly Bacteria? Oh, that's right they dont have those in MRE's either. Often refered to as intestinal flora, probiotics, frendly bacteria. Benefits: Help destroy putrefactive bacteria (the "bad" bacteria) within the lower tract Help remove toxins from the lower tract and disable possibly carcinogenic bacteria Help normalize intestinal pH Help repair damage to the digestive tract You don’t get this in MRP’s. These things are vital for good health and by taking the easy road and cracking a bar or mixing a drink, you are cheating yourself of a healthy meal. Many things in nature occur for a reason and science cant mimic it nor imitate it. When you isolate natures buffers out of the picture you are looking for problems. If you eat those fast food MRE’s and such then you have to supplement other things in your diet to make up the void. Sure you can live a normal life but when most people get sick, they look for a diet that will help this or that. Hey, damage already done at this point. Last edited by hackskii; 15-02-2005 at 09:40 PM.

15-02-2005, 04:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	yes Paul I am saying that exactly read the articles and almost half are ghost written now (always have been) so that bodybuilder you think that is telling you advice is most likely just a pencil neck at a desk and making up crap. (It sells right?) as far as the studies they twist them a bit here and there to get what they want (but we all do that, only they twist them too far sometimes which is quite normal for a bodybuilding magazine aka its feel like deca LOL) hence I said go read the actual studies. (In this particular case you were right the mrp's did help them as you said, but the trick was they were eating bad to start and the results were not as good as they could have gotten another way BUT they did get the result, yes) BUT MD is the most entertaining of the bunch at the moment and a good read. Just take it all with a grain(several) of salt.

20-02-2005, 02:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
Gridlock A diamond in the rough Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,231	Just want to say you guys are amazing! I have learned so much from this forum, a few months ago I had no clue about insulin and fat storage etc, these are basic things that the general public simply have no idea about. I was talking to my Nan the other night and she had read an article in her newspaper about healthy diet and she was saying things like: "and you should eat salad cream not mayonase, apparently mayo is very bad" & "did you know that tomato sauce contains lots of sugar" This was all news to her, Its really scary to think she (and a million others) did not already know that! IMO basic things like how to read a nutritional information labels should be taught in school to everyone. It's like the whole fatties suing McDonalds thing, I thought they were just trying to scam some money out of them (i mean how can anyone not know mcdonalds is high calorie) but I am starting to think maybe people really are that dumb! No the UK and US are facing massive obesity problems

21-02-2005, 11:00 PM	#19 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Simple problem. Its just the body's responce to food. Certain foods should be avoided altogether and some of these foods people just pound down like it was good or something. Food is really like a drug.

07-03-2005, 08:46 PM	#20 (permalink)
supafly Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 35	Where do you get your chicken breasts from? i tried my local supermarket and its mostly processed stuff like Bernard Mathews. And its pretty expensive.

08-03-2005, 12:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
Lauren The Lady Of The Manor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bedfordshire, UK Posts: 2,291	I usually buy mine from Costco in Watford - dead cheap. You can get 8-10 very large chicken breasts for about £8.00 I think. If I can't get there I get them from Tescos - frozen packs (the healthy living ones) U get about 6-8 for about £5 I believe. Some are quite small tho! But they will do when your out of luck with everywhere else. Other than that your local butcher should be able to do a real good deal. We went to our one a few months ago and said we were going to be buying regularly in bulk from him and he did us a really good deal. Plus they are a lot larger breasts than the ones u get from supermarkets.