big

Thanks mate. Is your mate on any gear while getting in top shape with only 3 meals a day?

BTW, great info above on the foods.

big

No kidding on turning things upside down!! What would you say would be a reasonable meal plan then? You're advocating splitting up all carbs and proteins? What about fats?

hackskii

I myself like to combine all my macronutrients in one meal.
With the exception of eating carbs by them selves before a workout 30-50 grams.
And the excpetion of protein and carb after workout (no fats).
And not taking in carbs your last meal (but I always end up doing that).

I used to eat 6-7 small meals a day and got really lean.
I used the 40-30-30 method and applied this to every meal. I was leaner, had more energy, required less sleep, very strong for how much I weighed, and actually looked younger.
So you can take in all macronutrients if you know what you are doing.
I kept all meals around 500 cals or less. Digestion wasnt bogged down from overfeeding, blood sugar levels were really stable, blood pressure was the best in years.
I ate stuff like oats, eggs, protein powder, apples, tuna, asparagris (sp), broccoli,plain yoghurt, spinish, olives, peanuts, etc.


I dont agree with dividing up your meal for diffrent digestion enzymes. If you are eating raw fruits and vegetables they have enzymes in them if they are uncooked and wont affect absorption. It might slow down the absorption with adding a protein and fat and fiber in there.

If you are eating alot of fruit and vegetables your digestive system will be pretty clean as you are getting natural fibers in there and you will be fine without worrying about the food turning rancid in your system.

I remember back then that I would have massive bowl movements, huge, long turds that almost required no wiping.

Never in my life did I feel better than then.
Everything was measured, ate at certain times by the clock, never overfed, felt great.

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ONE SMART COOKIE

Still doesnt answer my questions though as that was your experiance with a mixed diet but have you ever tried to eat things seperatly like nature intended??

You never know you may even beat the condition you acheived with the mixed meal plan

Plus whilst following the mixed meal plan were you using gear????

I`ve put forward the noin mixed meal plan for more of the natural bodybuilder to acheive their best shape whilst still obtaining all the nutrients they need whilst drastically reducing their waist lines and upgrading their bodies ability to obtain maximum amount of nutrients from the smallest amount of food.

When I followed the "Clarence Bass" diet I too have massive dumps and was extremely regular because of the high fibre content but it still didnt give me all that I wanted,plus too much fibre can actually be a negative thing due to it limiting the bodies ability to digest food because it will bind with the food and just move it through the system and not allow enough time for it(food) to be broken down properly and also it may also(fibre)cause problems with it irritating the gut lining.

hackskii

I was natural and 37 years old.
Went from about 200 lbs with a 40" waist to 163 with a 31 1/2" waist.
So for about every 5 lbs of bodyweight I lost 1" on the waist.
I graduated highschool with a bigger waste than that and less bodyweight.
I do know it works well tho.
The fiber issue is ok as long as you are not adding stuff like bran to your diet. Natural fibers in your fruits and vegetables are the only way to go. I did not add fiber at all to my meals but what was in them already.

I probably might have cut too many cals from the diet but kept upping the portions and adding additional snacks too and kept losing.

7 meals a day and ate one small meal just before I went to bed 100 cals.
My metabolism was never faster and never did I feel better.

I got all the information form the book by Barry Sears called Enter The Zone.
Great read.

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TYSON

You two are way ahead on me on these issues lol, you have both gone well above my head. Can one or both of you give an example of a days food intake as it all seems a bit complex for me. Hack i think before you said you dont like to give diets but if the both of you can just give a days eating habbits then it is at least a base to start with. All those fancy words and discriptions arnt for me lol i just eat the food and lift the weights.

hackskii

Thanks Its late but I will do it.
Will take me a couple of days to work out the numbers for the meals but ok.

How much do you weigh?
How often do you workout?

Tell me if you can, how many caloriess in a day do you take in?
Tell me what foods make you feel bloated.
PM me or just post here.

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TYSON

Cheers m8,

I work out with weights 4 times a week as i train one day on one day off and so on, on the off days i use the slam man/ boxing for 30 minutes as this is the only aorbic/cardio i enjoy, after 30 mins im knackered.

I currently weigh 204lbs ( just lost 5lbs in a week lol) could well be starting a cycle on clenbeutrol soon but dont know if this affects the diet or not ?

Want too shift the excess weight fast ready to bulk up in the new year

SportDr

Nice posting OSC,

WOuld like to add something to the mix tho. The post advocated following a 'stoneage' diet separating food types as we would have in the seasons we were hunting in. This was good for us because the foods required different PH's to be digested effectively, right?

Sounds good in theory but hasn't the human digestive system evolved since then? to the extent that we carry a redundant appendix organ around, frequently a site for infection, which allegedly was used to digest raw meat before man discovered microwaves

So if man has evolved this part of his digestive system why not others? perhaps we can digest carbs/protein in combination better than our neolithic ancestors, not sure but just a thought.

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Right but you still not answered my original question,

"Have you ever tried seperating your food to improve digestion"????????

If not "why"??????(please give reasons etc etc etc)

I agree about the fruits and veg,BUT(here we go,lol)if you look back to out ancestors fruit and veg were not always available(unless you liked near the equator)so we didnt always have these food items at our disposa so "We ate meat on its own"(seperatley)so our digestion is by genetics set up,imho,to eat different types of food at different times and away from other food.

Now if I am right(which I think I am,lmao)and this can be worked out to fit in with a bodybuilding lifestyle then the potential for growth,whilst drastically improving overall health is quite astounding,imho.

So come hackskii baby chuck some info at me to disprove my ideas,I`m itching for a good debate.

I will add all that I have written is all theory and it wont be till I start training again next year will I be able to give it my all(only managed short runs with this idea so far this year,so still in the early stages),time will tell if our forefathers were right.

ONE SMART COOKIE

I agree the appendix is a problem from not being used but as far as I m aware the appendix was/is used to digest roughage as in the form of roots etc just like a cow having a second stomach,our stomachs are used to digest raw meat because that is were all the acid is,now if people would revert to eating more natural firbrous foods then I think the appendix wouldnt be redundant and would just start working again as nature intended,imo.

As for as the body moving on in its digestion I am starting to think that it hasnt,in that our food hasnt changed that much give or take a couple of hundreds yrs,you can look back to the medieval times and see that meat was for the rich(which they ate tons of)and the lowly people had to make do with vegatables being the mainstay off their diets and the odd animal they manged to hunt without being caught by their overlords,but before that our digestion had been set for millions of yrs so it aint going to change that quick is it???

If the body is kept at the right ph value then the body will be devoid of illness to a large degree,it will also,imo,be primed to add muscle at a faster rate,just look at the 25th annerversary edition o pumping iron,what are those guys eating in that restaurant?????

Protein and tons of it,as far as I am aware there aint any carbs in site other than some meagre salads.

If you look back over the bodybuilding years,they always ate protein and fats,they werent too bothered about carbs as most of the adverts for energy products in the old mags were for "energy oils" wheatgerm etc etc etc.

I`m not saying that they didnt eat any carbs but most if not all used them sparingly and they were eaten away from other foods.

Now fats can be eaten with carbs(to slow insulin production)but not protein
Protein can be eaten with some fats(fats have to be lower than protein in total cals)but not concentrated carbs
Fats can be eaten with both
And fibrous carbs(salads veg,non concentrated)can be eaten with both carbs and protein.

TYSON

well I aint got an appendix anymore, maybe while im struggling lol.

hackskii

Well, I will add that for me if I eat alot of carbs whether they are all by them selves or with other macronutrients I tend to put on some body fat.

This will be hard to debate as some people dont get fat on carbs.
All our bodies are diffrent and react diffrent to diffrent things.
Stress in some people can cause weight gain and in others will cause weight loss.
Genetics play a part in how fast we digest and what foods react to what.
I had a friend that just ate garbage like donuts, candy, potato chips and he had an awesome body.

I guess if the carbs were left on the low side (total cals) and low in the GI, it would not be a problem with me.

I think as a snack the carb is ok but not for a meal.
Remember high blood sugar raises insulin and insulin is a storage hormone.
What slows down the spiking of the carb is protein, fats, and fiber.
So if you are like 1/3 of the population that has trouble with spiking blood sugars then dont eat the carb by itself.
If you are the 1/3 of the population that can eat all the carbs you want and stay skinny then by all means eat your carbs all by themselves.

The body adapts to carbs for fuel and ketones for fuel. This factors in all together another aspect of how you cant just nail it all down to one thing or another.
The body adapts to eating, not eating, everything.

Im not a big proponent of huge portions of food. Puts me to sleep when I do. This is my indicator of the rise in insulin (for me).
Some guys can eat huge meals and go about their business but for me I just cant do that.

Just me!!!!

If certain foods give you gas then either dont eat that food or take a digestive enzyme to help things along. They are safe, good for you, and will aid in digestion of food and you will have less gas.

I notice that Asparagris (sp), makes me feel good. I know my body well and can tell certain foods make me feel good or not so good.
When I eat asparagris (sp) I notice I can smell it he next day when I urinate. Smells like vitamins.
But I hate the taste of it so much I dont eat it, which I should.

In life there are choices, wise choices are good. I know where I make my mistakes but dont correct them. I like to drink beer. I will never have the body I always wanted because of lifestyle choices. I enjoy my beer.
But then again, I know beer drinkers that have good bodies and they eat good but still drink.

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Chas

This is all good stuff.

A problem I have is that I am pretty sure that I don't get enough protein - certainly not during the day. To fit in with my lifestyle, I work out early morning before going to the office. So, I take a protein shake - with milk, before i go to the gym, along with glutamine before the shake and creatine after. I eat fruit throughout the day - snacking on it from mid morning onwards. In the evening, if I get my own meal i will usualy have fish with a salad - but more often I eat out or get fed by someone else - and don't get to eat what I would ideally choose. I know I should eat protein during the day, but how do I conveniently and easily fit that into a heavy work schedule in the office?

big

Take it in tuppaware. Or take in wholemeal sandwiches (not as good but ok). Or make protein bars to take in. Or take in a shake.