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TYSON · 04-12-2004, 03:04 PM

I weigh 205lbs and stand 5" 8, I still hold a bit of muscle from training in previous years, 46" chest 17" arms but have put weight on in stomach area due to not training for years.

I have put a previous thread on asking about my diet but i want to know is :

SHOULD I LOOSE THE WEIGHT FIRST OR JUST TRAIN AS I WISH TO BULK UP ANYWAY AND WOULD THIS ALONE LOOSE THE FAT ?

all diet plans would be helpfull as im not sure the one i am using ( seen in my other post) is really working for me.

**hackskii** · 04-12-2004, 04:03 PM

First off, are you looking to go on gear?

If you are not lean and want to bulk, you will pick up some bodyfat.

If you are fat and want to lean out you will lose alot of fat and a little muscle.

Lets say there are two guys that want to bulk.
One guy is 12% bodyfat and the other is 24% bodyfat.
They both start bulking.
The lean guy will have less % bodyfat when done bulking than the fat guy and more lean muscle mass too.

But if they both want to cut the fat guy will lose more bodyfat and less lean muscle mass than the lean guy.

So the fat guy had a disadvantage bulking and the lean guy has less advantage cutting.

I saw your threads on the gear so I am assuming you want to use gear.
If this is so, I would get your bodyfat down pretty low then go on the gear and bulk and you will have the best body.

TYSON · 04-12-2004, 05:48 PM

I would like to go back on the gear only because i got to 16 stone on the gear before and at the moment wouldnt feel like im doing any good unless i get back to at least 15 stone muscle. Its different for people just starting training as they are happy with the smallest gains they make but for me, ive been their so even if i put on half a stone of solid muscle i wouldnt be happy until i reach the standard i used to be if you see what i mean and the only way to do that would be gear but not having much luck with that topic at the moment but nuff said about that.

Thanks for your reply ive taken it on board just want to see what others think before making up my mind.

CHEERS :lift:

**hackskii** · 04-12-2004, 06:38 PM

Well bro, I think you can get what you are looking for without gear.
I really do think that.
What exactaly are you looking for?
Size?
Strength?
Lean?
Look good?

Now dont say all.
If you want help you need to let us know exactually what you want.
Set yourself realistic goals.

Me myself feel that diet is the best thing to start with. Diet is key and for good health it is almost "ALL"!

If you want to lose fat=diet
If you want to gain muscle=diet
If you want to look good=diet
If you want to feel good=diet

I dont mean diet as in dieting, I mean diet as in conbinations of food/foods, macronutrients, timing of eating, number of meals, amounts, when to take in carbs, when not to take in carbs, when to take in fats, proteins, everything.

TYSON · 04-12-2004, 11:36 PM

After reading your first reply and before i saw your recent reply i have decided to cut up first, i am after size but not bloated type looking size if ya know what i mean. This is where i definatly need help from every one please. You see even when i used to train years ago i have never needed to cut up / diet in my life so i do not have any idea of what to eat and when so really could do with a hand here.

**hackskii** · 05-12-2004, 12:24 AM

Ok, I dont and wont give out diets.

I will give out information.

Diets are really personal and have to deal with age, hypo/hyperinsulinemia, body types, work schedules, lifestyles, drugs, workout routines, food allergies and the likes of that and much more, ectomorph, endomorph, bla bla bla.

Best thing for you to do is either post your current diet up here or PM me and I will work on it with you.

Things like total lean muscle mass, activity levels, metabolism and age all get factored in with this.

Me personally, I would diet down first.
Take in at least 150 grams of protein to maintain positive nitrogen balance.
Cut 500 calories from your current diet a day.
Choose carbs that are low in the Glycemic Index (GI).
Eat 6-7 small meals a day.
No carbs before bed time.
Consider a ketogenic diet, or not.
Drink lots of water.
Maybe even consider a colon cleanse and detox first before starting it all off first.
Cardio, first thing in the morning before eating.
Training, using circuit training techniques.

You will have to eat smaller healthy meals, burn more than you take in (-500 cal) and you will lose about 1 pound a week.
3500 calories will equal 1 pound of body fat. So if you cut back 500 calories a day after one week you will have lost about 1 lb of bodyfat. This 500 cal rule is either cardio (2 hrs) a day or cut back on the food and either lift or do about 30 mins of workout/cardio/weights/sex, doesn’t matter.

You will need to lift so you don’t loose your lean muscle mass. You will lose some but not a lot if you are using at least 150 grams of protein a day.

Again, nobody can sit you down and just write up a diet without some form of trial and error, only you can do that with your knowledge of your own body.

Shoot for about 1-1.5 lbs of weight loss a week. Any more and you will be losing muscle with the exception if the first couple of weeks when you will lose water weight. Water weight is normal and ok during this phase.
But if you are losing like 3 lbs a week and you are a couple of weeks into this then you aren’t eating enough and or training too much. See where I am going with this?

Post your diet and lets have a look or PM me but I would rather you post your diet and let all help.

Cheers and sorry if I cant answer you directly and seem indirect with the information above.

winger · 05-12-2004, 01:07 AM

Bump that. Nice Hackskii.
A short Glycemic index. You will need word though.
Just choose the carbs that are 50 and under. They get the glycemic index from eating a carb and drawing the blood and getting a number. Sugar is 100 on the glycemic index. So if you choose the right carbs you will loose bodyfat because your body wont spike insulin and store fat. Dont eat potatoes, corn, bread, chips, candy, sugar you get the idea. Eat 5 meals a day and always eat a protein, carb and fat together. Allways eat breakfast too. Post your diet that you are on now. There are allot of good blokes on here that will help sort it out for ya. Including me.

DB · 05-12-2004, 10:28 AM

up the cardio mate, dont have to go mad just get ur heart pumpin for 30mins, 3 times a week is a good start.

TYSON · 05-12-2004, 02:39 PM

Ok some of you may have seen this before on a past post and before you say it i know its not ideal judging by all your comments but maybe between you you can adjust it for me.

breakfast.............porridge
protein shake
friut
vitamin
lunch..................tuna
new potatoes
dinner.................chicken
rice
veg
tea..................... chicken
scramble eggs 6
veg
TRAINING
protein shake
bed..................protein shake

I know im asking lots of questions but if i dont ask i wont learn lol,

1/ as i am looking too bulk up in future, after i cut up then bulk will i put the fat back on. dont get me wrong i know i will put on weight because thats why we bulk but will i end up fat if you see what i mean ?

2/ I have hopefully found some help with gear so it may be possable to use these, any stack you can recomend to use to cut up?

TYSON · 05-12-2004, 03:27 PM

Just too add im not into stationarty cycles, jogging aerobics ect: what i do or will be doing is 30-40 minutes on one of those electronic boxing things, not sure if you have seen them. its basically and plastic man with lights and you have to box the lights as they show, the speed edt is adjustable. As i used to box this is my prefered aerobic type of excercise, will this be ok TRAINING WILL BE :

MONDAY.......chest & triceps

Tuesday........the boxing man as described above (forgot the name )

WEDNESDAY....shoulders & biceps

THURSDAY......boxing

FRIDAY.......back and a little on legs but not really into leg training tbh

WEEKEND.... if nothing to do or bored will do some boxing again.:lift:

**robdog** · 05-12-2004, 03:29 PM

FRIDAY.......back and a little on legs but not really into leg training tbh

Dont neglect legs mate!!!!!

**hackskii** · 05-12-2004, 04:00 PM

Ok lets modify the diet a little bit here. We want to reduce your cals by 500 so lets do this.
Keep everything the same but this adjustment.
Breakfast drop the fruit,
Drop the rice for dinner,

Routine, add some legs. Keep everything else the same and do just as above.
I suggest this as you will reduce your diet about 200 cals for the rice and fruit about 100 cals so this is 300
Now we just add some leg workout in there and you should be able to lose about 3/4 of a pound a week. Up the cardio more and you will be looking at about a pound a week. How many pounds you want to lose will depend on how many weeks you keep doing it. When it all said and done just adjust the cals back up for maintance.

See easy as pie, but dont eat the pie unless it has hair on it then you might burn some extra calories on that.;)

TYSON · 05-12-2004, 06:21 PM

See easy as pie, but dont eat the pie unless it has hair on it then you might burn some extra calories on that.;)I love those hairy pies but the one i have normall has no hair

Ok will try what you say, but about the other question ? will all the hard work be waisted when i want to bulk up again or will the bf be managable when i bulk, i know this is a few months away but dont want to diet so to speak and then put it all on again when i bulk. What about a stack ? any advice

winger · 05-12-2004, 07:17 PM

What is the point of going on a cycle when your diet is not squared away. Diet down, get lean and then maybe do gear. You are hell bend on doing gear arent you? First things first mate. It does look like you are one meal short. Eat 5 meals for starters. Just divide it up evenly and dont over eat. That also spikes insulin.

breakfast.............porridge
protein shake
friut
vitamin
This is ok.
lunch..................tuna
new potatoes
Dump the potatoes and eat some green vegies.
dinner.................chicken
rice
veg
Dump the rice and eat green vegies.
tea..................... chicken
scramble eggs 6
veg
TRAINING
protein shake

bed..................protein shake

TYSON · 05-12-2004, 07:22 PM

WINGER YOU ARE RIGHT......

As christmas is around the corner it would possably be stupid to use gear now anyway as im bound to eat crap at christmas. The reason i want to get on gear so much is because thats all i knew when i was young and the results were amasing.

Thanks for advice on diet i have taken everything in and will start fresh in the morning and see how i go.....

CHEERS

04-12-2004, 03:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Whats your opinion I weigh 205lbs and stand 5" 8, I still hold a bit of muscle from training in previous years, 46" chest 17" arms but have put weight on in stomach area due to not training for years. I have put a previous thread on asking about my diet but i want to know is : SHOULD I LOOSE THE WEIGHT FIRST OR JUST TRAIN AS I WISH TO BULK UP ANYWAY AND WOULD THIS ALONE LOOSE THE FAT ? all diet plans would be helpfull as im not sure the one i am using ( seen in my other post) is really working for me. __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

04-12-2004, 04:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,714	First off, are you looking to go on gear? If you are not lean and want to bulk, you will pick up some bodyfat. If you are fat and want to lean out you will lose alot of fat and a little muscle. Lets say there are two guys that want to bulk. One guy is 12% bodyfat and the other is 24% bodyfat. They both start bulking. The lean guy will have less % bodyfat when done bulking than the fat guy and more lean muscle mass too. But if they both want to cut the fat guy will lose more bodyfat and less lean muscle mass than the lean guy. So the fat guy had a disadvantage bulking and the lean guy has less advantage cutting. I saw your threads on the gear so I am assuming you want to use gear. If this is so, I would get your bodyfat down pretty low then go on the gear and bulk and you will have the best body. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

04-12-2004, 05:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	I would like to go back on the gear only because i got to 16 stone on the gear before and at the moment wouldnt feel like im doing any good unless i get back to at least 15 stone muscle. Its different for people just starting training as they are happy with the smallest gains they make but for me, ive been their so even if i put on half a stone of solid muscle i wouldnt be happy until i reach the standard i used to be if you see what i mean and the only way to do that would be gear but not having much luck with that topic at the moment but nuff said about that. Thanks for your reply ive taken it on board just want to see what others think before making up my mind. CHEERS :lift: __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

04-12-2004, 06:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,714	Well bro, I think you can get what you are looking for without gear. I really do think that. What exactaly are you looking for? Size? Strength? Lean? Look good? Now dont say all. If you want help you need to let us know exactually what you want. Set yourself realistic goals. Me myself feel that diet is the best thing to start with. Diet is key and for good health it is almost "ALL"! If you want to lose fat=diet If you want to gain muscle=diet If you want to look good=diet If you want to feel good=diet I dont mean diet as in dieting, I mean diet as in conbinations of food/foods, macronutrients, timing of eating, number of meals, amounts, when to take in carbs, when not to take in carbs, when to take in fats, proteins, everything. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

04-12-2004, 11:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	After reading your first reply and before i saw your recent reply i have decided to cut up first, i am after size but not bloated type looking size if ya know what i mean. This is where i definatly need help from every one please. You see even when i used to train years ago i have never needed to cut up / diet in my life so i do not have any idea of what to eat and when so really could do with a hand here. __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

05-12-2004, 12:24 AM	#6 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,714	Ok, I dont and wont give out diets. I will give out information. Diets are really personal and have to deal with age, hypo/hyperinsulinemia, body types, work schedules, lifestyles, drugs, workout routines, food allergies and the likes of that and much more, ectomorph, endomorph, bla bla bla. Best thing for you to do is either post your current diet up here or PM me and I will work on it with you. Things like total lean muscle mass, activity levels, metabolism and age all get factored in with this. Me personally, I would diet down first. Take in at least 150 grams of protein to maintain positive nitrogen balance. Cut 500 calories from your current diet a day. Choose carbs that are low in the Glycemic Index (GI). Eat 6-7 small meals a day. No carbs before bed time. Consider a ketogenic diet, or not. Drink lots of water. Maybe even consider a colon cleanse and detox first before starting it all off first. Cardio, first thing in the morning before eating. Training, using circuit training techniques. You will have to eat smaller healthy meals, burn more than you take in (-500 cal) and you will lose about 1 pound a week. 3500 calories will equal 1 pound of body fat. So if you cut back 500 calories a day after one week you will have lost about 1 lb of bodyfat. This 500 cal rule is either cardio (2 hrs) a day or cut back on the food and either lift or do about 30 mins of workout/cardio/weights/sex, doesn’t matter. You will need to lift so you don’t loose your lean muscle mass. You will lose some but not a lot if you are using at least 150 grams of protein a day. Again, nobody can sit you down and just write up a diet without some form of trial and error, only you can do that with your knowledge of your own body. Shoot for about 1-1.5 lbs of weight loss a week. Any more and you will be losing muscle with the exception if the first couple of weeks when you will lose water weight. Water weight is normal and ok during this phase. But if you are losing like 3 lbs a week and you are a couple of weeks into this then you aren’t eating enough and or training too much. See where I am going with this? Post your diet and lets have a look or PM me but I would rather you post your diet and let all help. Cheers and sorry if I cant answer you directly and seem indirect with the information above. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-12-2004, 01:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,332 Blog Entries: 1	Bump that. Nice Hackskii. A short Glycemic index. You will need word though. Just choose the carbs that are 50 and under. They get the glycemic index from eating a carb and drawing the blood and getting a number. Sugar is 100 on the glycemic index. So if you choose the right carbs you will loose bodyfat because your body wont spike insulin and store fat. Dont eat potatoes, corn, bread, chips, candy, sugar you get the idea. Eat 5 meals a day and always eat a protein, carb and fat together. Allways eat breakfast too. Post your diet that you are on now. There are allot of good blokes on here that will help sort it out for ya. Including me. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by winger; 05-12-2004 at 01:15 AM.

05-12-2004, 10:28 AM	#8 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,433	up the cardio mate, dont have to go mad just get ur heart pumpin for 30mins, 3 times a week is a good start. __________________ DB To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. often imitated never duplicated To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. DB sleeps with a night light. Not because DB is afraid of the dark, but the dark is afraid of DB. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-12-2004, 02:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Ok some of you may have seen this before on a past post and before you say it i know its not ideal judging by all your comments but maybe between you you can adjust it for me. breakfast.............porridge protein shake friut vitamin lunch..................tuna new potatoes dinner.................chicken rice veg tea..................... chicken scramble eggs 6 veg TRAINING protein shake bed..................protein shake I know im asking lots of questions but if i dont ask i wont learn lol, 1/ as i am looking too bulk up in future, after i cut up then bulk will i put the fat back on. dont get me wrong i know i will put on weight because thats why we bulk but will i end up fat if you see what i mean ? 2/ I have hopefully found some help with gear so it may be possable to use these, any stack you can recomend to use to cut up? __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

05-12-2004, 03:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Just too add im not into stationarty cycles, jogging aerobics ect: what i do or will be doing is 30-40 minutes on one of those electronic boxing things, not sure if you have seen them. its basically and plastic man with lights and you have to box the lights as they show, the speed edt is adjustable. As i used to box this is my prefered aerobic type of excercise, will this be ok TRAINING WILL BE : MONDAY.......chest & triceps Tuesday........the boxing man as described above (forgot the name ) WEDNESDAY....shoulders & biceps THURSDAY......boxing FRIDAY.......back and a little on legs but not really into leg training tbh WEEKEND.... if nothing to do or bored will do some boxing again.:lift: __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

05-12-2004, 03:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
robdog UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Home!! Posts: 5,701	FRIDAY.......back and a little on legs but not really into leg training tbh Dont neglect legs mate!!!!! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 25% off for UKM members (discount code UKM25)

05-12-2004, 04:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,714	Ok lets modify the diet a little bit here. We want to reduce your cals by 500 so lets do this. Keep everything the same but this adjustment. Breakfast drop the fruit, Drop the rice for dinner, Routine, add some legs. Keep everything else the same and do just as above. I suggest this as you will reduce your diet about 200 cals for the rice and fruit about 100 cals so this is 300 Now we just add some leg workout in there and you should be able to lose about 3/4 of a pound a week. Up the cardio more and you will be looking at about a pound a week. How many pounds you want to lose will depend on how many weeks you keep doing it. When it all said and done just adjust the cals back up for maintance. See easy as pie, but dont eat the pie unless it has hair on it then you might burn some extra calories on that.;) __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 05-12-2004 at 04:02 PM.

05-12-2004, 06:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	See easy as pie, but dont eat the pie unless it has hair on it then you might burn some extra calories on that.;)I love those hairy pies but the one i have normall has no hair Ok will try what you say, but about the other question ? will all the hard work be waisted when i want to bulk up again or will the bf be managable when i bulk, i know this is a few months away but dont want to diet so to speak and then put it all on again when i bulk. What about a stack ? any advice __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

05-12-2004, 07:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,332 Blog Entries: 1	What is the point of going on a cycle when your diet is not squared away. Diet down, get lean and then maybe do gear. You are hell bend on doing gear arent you? First things first mate. It does look like you are one meal short. Eat 5 meals for starters. Just divide it up evenly and dont over eat. That also spikes insulin. breakfast.............porridge protein shake friut vitamin This is ok. lunch..................tuna new potatoes Dump the potatoes and eat some green vegies. dinner.................chicken rice veg Dump the rice and eat green vegies. tea..................... chicken scramble eggs 6 veg TRAINING protein shake bed..................protein shake __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-12-2004, 07:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	WINGER YOU ARE RIGHT...... As christmas is around the corner it would possably be stupid to use gear now anyway as im bound to eat crap at christmas. The reason i want to get on gear so much is because thats all i knew when i was young and the results were amasing. Thanks for advice on diet i have taken everything in and will start fresh in the morning and see how i go..... CHEERS __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift: