How many should I take????? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

payne3400 · 27-08-2008, 07:57 PM

Hi,
I'm a newbie and am getting into the gym again after a 4 year 'break'.
I've heard alot about ephedrine in the gym and am cosidering using it as I have around 4 stone of fat I'd like to shift.
Many Thanks
Adam

PS, the before and after thread was a great read!!!

estfna · 27-08-2008, 08:07 PM

It's a controlled substance so you can't discuss prices or sources on the board. But with 4 stone to lose you shouldn't be thinking of Eph at the moment. Post your current diet up and training routine for the board to take a look at. More than likely we can help to get most of it off without the need for any drugs. Whether you gain or lose weight is primarily a concern of diet.

payne3400 · 27-08-2008, 08:25 PM

Ok, thanks. My diet is structured at the min, just cut down on the bad stuff (takeaway, dairy, beer etc) and increased the good stuff (chicken, turkey, pasta etc). Help with this would be good. I have also bought a tub of maximuscle cyclone. My training is as follows.
Monday-squats, leg extension, leg curl, calf raise, leg raise.

Wednesday-incline bench press, close grip bench press, shoulder press, lateral raise, dumbbell bicep curl

Friday-lat pulldown, seated row, triceps pushdown, crunches, hyperextensions, shrugs

These are all done on a 3x8-10 basis. only done 1 week so far so if anything needs changing I'm all ears.
I want to increase muscle mass aswell as lose the fat

anabolic ant · 27-08-2008, 08:56 PM

forget the magic pill...and get yourself back into the hard grind!!!
tailor up your eating habits...then mix that up with a good exercise routine....then on top of that....get on the cardio!!!!!!
20mins plus for beta-oxidation...or lipolysis or fat burning to occur whlst doing cardio!!!!
dont look for the quick options that let you down,unles your will is low n short too...look for long term goals and try every 6 months to set a new achievable target in weightloss etc!!!
use a measuring tape...is slightly better than using the scales all the time!!!
even better than weighing and measuring....dont!!!!
cover up and get the sweat on!!!
there are no magic pills...and even with em...you have to work hard.....for a long time too!!!!
motivate yourself and get going!!!!!!!

estfna · 27-08-2008, 09:09 PM

Well first off, in simple terms you can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. To gain muscle requires eating more calories than you are burning and to lose fat requires you to burn more calories than you are eating.

Decide which goal is yours. Next I would grab a pen and paper an write down exactly what you eat every day for a week. Weigh yourself at the start of the week and at the end. Add up the total calories, and if your weight hasn't increased or dropped during the week, this is your maintenance calories. If your weight increases, you are eating more than you are burning; if your weight drops, you are burning more than you are eating.
Adjust the calories accordingly and set the macros, protein/carbs/fats to suit your goals.
For help of this have a read of the gaining/losing weight sections.

This is how I structure my diets and it works. It also gives you independence over your own diet instead. What you must remember though is to get as many whole clean foods as you can in your diet and cut out all the crap. Also, it's good to drink lots of water, at least 3 litres a day.

Greekgoddess · 28-08-2008, 04:01 PM

Thats some good advice that has been posted. Keep off the eph for now, it would not be good news and has some bad side effects. A good clean diet, six small meals a day and good training with cardio will work wonders. Give it time and it will work- I know - it worked for me and I had tried everything!

**Pscarb** · 31-08-2008, 12:40 PM

keep track of your diet by weighing your foods and totalling your calories so you know what you are eating every day without this you cannot adjust it to lose weight

anabolic ant · 05-09-2008, 07:44 PM

yep i agree...in nutrition the simple equation is if energy intake (EI) is equal to or less than energy expenditure (EE) then this will lead to weight loss!!!
also agree with most and very much with pscarb...weigh your foods and counting your calories,then you'll be on a sure road to weight/fat loss!!!
also as the good greek goddess has said split your say 3 large meals into 6 small meals throughout the day...this will not allow your body to go hungry,and keeping a level and sufficient steady flow of nutrients to your body...whilst increasing your metabolic rate because the body has to assimilate the nutrients and will constantly be creating heat!!!
also this way your insulin levels will stay at a more constant level rate...too many high spikes and high blood sugar levels will cause insulin sensitivity to go down!!!

as i said before...really if you wanna lose fat,burn it using your body as the equipment...get those cell organelles into action,create a high respiration rate,boost your glycolysis...and cardio up for 20 mins or more for the beat-oxidation to occur....and tailor up your diet,balance it....on top of this in combination with cardio,train hard with your weights...it is not really complex,its all about how far you want to take it...intensity is key bro!!!!!

just realise that it takes more time than 2 weeks...long term,slowly but surely it will go and stay off...as you build more muscle your metabolic rate will increase...and fat burning will be much quicker and efficient!!!
stay with it payne3400...couple of years time...you will be giving advice cos you been there and done it!!!!
believe in yourself and get to it bro!!!!

payne3400 · 06-09-2008, 07:34 PM

thanks to all who have given advice, really appreciate it. Does the training diary look ok???

27-08-2008, 07:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
payne3400 My pride is my family! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: I live in Hull Posts: 7	How many should I take????? Hi, I'm a newbie and am getting into the gym again after a 4 year 'break'. I've heard alot about ephedrine in the gym and am cosidering using it as I have around 4 stone of fat I'd like to shift. Many Thanks Adam PS, the before and after thread was a great read!!! Last edited by Pscarb; 31-08-2008 at 12:39 PM.

27-08-2008, 08:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
estfna Undergoing building work Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,838	Re: How many should I take????? It's a controlled substance so you can't discuss prices or sources on the board. But with 4 stone to lose you shouldn't be thinking of Eph at the moment. Post your current diet up and training routine for the board to take a look at. More than likely we can help to get most of it off without the need for any drugs. Whether you gain or lose weight is primarily a concern of diet.

27-08-2008, 08:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
payne3400 My pride is my family! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: I live in Hull Posts: 7	Re: How many should I take????? Ok, thanks. My diet is structured at the min, just cut down on the bad stuff (takeaway, dairy, beer etc) and increased the good stuff (chicken, turkey, pasta etc). Help with this would be good. I have also bought a tub of maximuscle cyclone. My training is as follows. Monday-squats, leg extension, leg curl, calf raise, leg raise. Wednesday-incline bench press, close grip bench press, shoulder press, lateral raise, dumbbell bicep curl Friday-lat pulldown, seated row, triceps pushdown, crunches, hyperextensions, shrugs These are all done on a 3x8-10 basis. only done 1 week so far so if anything needs changing I'm all ears. I want to increase muscle mass aswell as lose the fat

27-08-2008, 08:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
anabolic ant Looking Freaky Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: london Posts: 872	Re: How many should I take????? forget the magic pill...and get yourself back into the hard grind!!! tailor up your eating habits...then mix that up with a good exercise routine....then on top of that....get on the cardio!!!!!! 20mins plus for beta-oxidation...or lipolysis or fat burning to occur whlst doing cardio!!!! dont look for the quick options that let you down,unles your will is low n short too...look for long term goals and try every 6 months to set a new achievable target in weightloss etc!!! use a measuring tape...is slightly better than using the scales all the time!!! even better than weighing and measuring....dont!!!! cover up and get the sweat on!!! there are no magic pills...and even with em...you have to work hard.....for a long time too!!!! motivate yourself and get going!!!!!!!

27-08-2008, 09:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
estfna Undergoing building work Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,838	Re: How many should I take????? Well first off, in simple terms you can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. To gain muscle requires eating more calories than you are burning and to lose fat requires you to burn more calories than you are eating. Decide which goal is yours. Next I would grab a pen and paper an write down exactly what you eat every day for a week. Weigh yourself at the start of the week and at the end. Add up the total calories, and if your weight hasn't increased or dropped during the week, this is your maintenance calories. If your weight increases, you are eating more than you are burning; if your weight drops, you are burning more than you are eating. Adjust the calories accordingly and set the macros, protein/carbs/fats to suit your goals. For help of this have a read of the gaining/losing weight sections. This is how I structure my diets and it works. It also gives you independence over your own diet instead. What you must remember though is to get as many whole clean foods as you can in your diet and cut out all the crap. Also, it's good to drink lots of water, at least 3 litres a day.

28-08-2008, 04:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Greekgoddess Mature Bodybuilder Join Date: May 2008 Location: Greece Posts: 1,331 Blog Entries: 6	Re: How many should I take????? Thats some good advice that has been posted. Keep off the eph for now, it would not be good news and has some bad side effects. A good clean diet, six small meals a day and good training with cardio will work wonders. Give it time and it will work- I know - it worked for me and I had tried everything!

31-08-2008, 12:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,963	Re: How many should I take????? keep track of your diet by weighing your foods and totalling your calories so you know what you are eating every day without this you cannot adjust it to lose weight

05-09-2008, 07:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
anabolic ant Looking Freaky Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: london Posts: 872	Re: How many should I take????? yep i agree...in nutrition the simple equation is if energy intake (EI) is equal to or less than energy expenditure (EE) then this will lead to weight loss!!! also agree with most and very much with pscarb...weigh your foods and counting your calories,then you'll be on a sure road to weight/fat loss!!! also as the good greek goddess has said split your say 3 large meals into 6 small meals throughout the day...this will not allow your body to go hungry,and keeping a level and sufficient steady flow of nutrients to your body...whilst increasing your metabolic rate because the body has to assimilate the nutrients and will constantly be creating heat!!! also this way your insulin levels will stay at a more constant level rate...too many high spikes and high blood sugar levels will cause insulin sensitivity to go down!!! as i said before...really if you wanna lose fat,burn it using your body as the equipment...get those cell organelles into action,create a high respiration rate,boost your glycolysis...and cardio up for 20 mins or more for the beat-oxidation to occur....and tailor up your diet,balance it....on top of this in combination with cardio,train hard with your weights...it is not really complex,its all about how far you want to take it...intensity is key bro!!!!! just realise that it takes more time than 2 weeks...long term,slowly but surely it will go and stay off...as you build more muscle your metabolic rate will increase...and fat burning will be much quicker and efficient!!! stay with it payne3400...couple of years time...you will be giving advice cos you been there and done it!!!! believe in yourself and get to it bro!!!!

06-09-2008, 07:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
payne3400 My pride is my family! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: I live in Hull Posts: 7	Re: How many should I take????? thanks to all who have given advice, really appreciate it. Does the training diary look ok???