hackskii

I would not be able to give you ratios.
I would add in carbohydrate re-feed days instead of every day carbs.
Now this is for the person that wants to lose some fat.
After all once target weight is met, then carbs would be added in very slowly at the same time as fats would be reduced.
I added in the equivilant of 10 grams of carbs for about 3 to 5 days then added in another 10 grams, in the form of apples.
I started losing again once I added in the carbs, and the terrible funky smell went away too.
To be honest, the worst thing was the smell, I could smell something terrible when I was sitting. Had a bad complex about that.
Consitpation was pretty bad too.

But, for every 4 pounds of bodyweight I lost on a keto diet there was 1" loss on the waist.

Zone diet was very nice and healthy but I lost 1" for every 5 pounds of bodyweight.

Only diffrence was this.
Keto diet I was about 20 lbs heavier but 10 years older.
I was not useing gear at the time so that was not a factor.
I can honestly say fat loss was superior on keto diet over zone, but I could not stay on it, it stalled at like 6 or 8 weeks.
Zone diet I just kept losing all the way till I got to the point I had to add more carbs as I just kept losing weight.
I was pretty shreaded back then, but I got down to 163 pounds, looked skinny in clothes but great with not clothes.
Also had unlimited energy and actually looked younger.
That is a great diet.

Lost Soul

Nice one scott, thanks for your thoughts

Pscarb

i do agree that this type of diet is not best for competing bodybuilders (although i have carried it out in 2004 but then i did not know as much as i do now) BUT i dont agree that you cannot still train with weights whilst following it.

i do also believe that it is better suited to women who train, this is one of the most common diets i give to most of the women i coach even if it is just to get the ball rolling

adesign

I find the exact same thing and I smell really bad, mainly in the mornings. I think I will try a TKD now for a while but as I train 5 days I might target them in at circuit training days first. That reasonable?

adesign

I just got home from an hours intense circuit training, didn't go for the carbs though just a mouthful of cocunut oil, not that nice! Lost another 2lb's this week though so thats cool.

adesign

Well when I first started, 42" jeans were tight. Now I can happily fit into my older 34" jeans! Seem to be lossing the inches but mass is consistantly around 90kg and bf% around 20% which I now longer take the slightest notice of!

Slamdog

I have to say an skd is looking attractive to me at the moment although i'm not in the correct frame of mind to change things at the moment. reading scotts posts as well as the book it seems to be a possible match for me as a sedentary older man. I'm going to keep reading for now.

well done adesign... just clarify how long you have been on the diet for me please? 42-34 is a fair drop in size...

darkstar

That is exactly the diet i need then im freaking shreaded at 160 and i love it.
I feel light and nice .
Its easy to do anything except move giant / heavy objects .

adesign

Well I started strictly on 27/5/08, so 6 weeks and 1 day ago. But I hadnt tried on them 42" jeans for properly for maybe around a month before that. Just chucked them at the back of my cupboard and called them the progress jeans. I dont have much breathing room on the 36" but they are wearable. I haven't cheated slightly at all since 6 weeks ago, the only cheat I would consider was a few double vodkas and diet coke on a night out. Just strange how my mass and bf% hasnt dropped all that much since (started off at 96kg). But as long as the clothes are fitting Im happy!

I have decided to have a night out next Friday (vodka diet coke) and a day of any carbs I want. Shall then give a TKD a go and see how that progresses.

I hope it just wasnt because my clothes have grown!!

Slamdog

fair play mate... 6 weeks is pretty rapid...

are you getting any of the sides mentioned connected with keto diets (smell, light head etc)?

hackskii

6" in 6 weeks is good.

adesign

Thanks guys! I did go from a student taking all sorts of chemicals and daily take aways to completely cold turkey, strict diet and daily training but that wasn't the 'conceptualized me' but it was the current (at the time) me so to get to the person I wanted the change had to be made. Maybe that drastic change had some part in the progress?

I do get the smell, my niece who is only 12 weeks will turn her head when I try to kiss her in the mornings lol. Also I get very light headed at times, when I dont get the right amount of fats in mostly. I have to go urinate a stupid amount of times and some days I do need a load of caffine for energy (again when my fat intake is off for the day).
Keep chewing gum at hand as it will temporary mask the mouth ordurs. Take in plenty of fats and water for the light headedness and I guess urinating that amount helps clear the system :p
I find that with the 6 meals a day routine with high fats, moderate protein I never feel hungry so I never get tempted to eat anything that is not part of the diet. Even if I am making pizza's for hours a week or wondering around Tescos sweet section. I would definatly get some cocunut oil if your going to do this as I find it very effective for quick digesting energy and getting the healthy fat intake.

darkstar

If i could only quit red wine .
Keep your game on

adesign

Went clothes shopping yesterday. Can now comfortable fit into size 34" jeans/shorts with some baggage. Although my weight has gone up to 94kg from 90kg. Haven't checked my bodyfat%. Did have a weekend off but it has seemed to have done wonders!

adesign

Just got checked today. Apparently Im now around 84kg with 17%bf. Can now wear 32inch jeans but prefer 34 :P

These stats are all over the place though. When I first started training towards the end of May I was 96kg with 23.3%bf IIRC. Went down, then up a bit, then down, up a tad and this is the latest. None of it really bothers me I feel and look a lot better that beats stats.

Started kickboxing again recently with twice a week and also doing 1.5 mile run every morning while my food is cooking. Will post pre and post pictures when im ready.