Con

No direct carbs on a keto diet.
Personally post training i have a spoon of peannut butter and a whey shake while using that diet.

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Lost Soul

But he cannot run an SKD whilst weight training...this is what I am driving at

to the original poster are you going TKD or CK

why not just diet out of ketosis and run cycled carbs...I dont even think you need to do that but for some reason you do, so at least make it logical

Trust me

6 meals with protein, fat and good carbs a day will be so much more beneficiasl at this stage.

Bottom line:

your bodyfat is high
energy levels are low
you have brain fog

I just dont see where a keto diet let alone an SKD fits in

20-25g of carbs over 6 meals IMO

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Pscarb

why can't he?? no assumptions please i want to know why this guy cannot run a SKD whilst training

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adesign to answer your question on PWO carbs i like Con just use fats and protein when dieting on low carbs, although it pains me i do in some way agree with LS on the fact that i think you could do with carb cycling rather than Keto as Keto style diets are very very hard and not for everyone but then in saying all that you will not know if they suit you until you try.

yesterday i dropped all carbs as a lead up to my re-feed day today this was my diet..

Meal 1 - 4 whole eggs/4 egg whites + 1 tin of smoked tuna
Meal 2 - 2 scoops extreme protein(frozen then eaten as a pudding ) + 50g natty PB
Meal 3 - 265g chicken breast + 50g smoked almonds
Meal 4 - 2 scoops extreme protein + 25g smoked Almonds
Meal 5 - PWO shake (2 scoops extreme protein + 10g leucine/glutamine)
Meal 6 - 4 whole eggs/2 egg whites + 50g Kol-Les cheese

this lot gave me 116g Fat/352g Protein and 31g carbs

i will do the same on Sunday and Monday after my re-feed

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where you get smoked tuna from mate? and smoked ALmonds?

adesign

I appreciate what you are saying LS but if I can get away with a CKT or TKD I'd like to do that. So far I have now been SKD'in for just over 6 weeks, so I know I can handle keto. Dropped 6% and I believe more than what the device says, getting lots of comments. I have been able to go up from 70kg on the squat to 110kg for 10 during this period too. Yes im a beginner but been on and off for 3 years so not too sure if I still get all the beginner gain benefits.

I asked about the carbs because I wanted considering going into a TKD from a SDK for around 12 weeks. Do you think that I should just use PWO fats and stick to being completely keto (I'll mix a table spoon of coconut oil in my shake)? or go the traditional carb TKD way?

Thank you for posting that up Pscarb I will vary the 1st one you gave with that one now and then :] Although I'll change the amounts as im not quite as big as you :p. Could someone be kind enough also to look at my split/routine to see if its okay and that I will see fat loss with minimal muscle loss along side it with this diet?

Thank you!

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Lost Soul

This is now semantics paul, Im sure you know the context of the wording

You can decide to sail the atlantic in a paper boat
You can decide to walk from london to glasgow instead of taking the train

As you will know ketones do not favour anaerobic exercise, glycogen does and an SKD as pointed out originally by lyle is simply not going to either support performance, recovery or a favourable body composition

I m sure you are aware of that. When I use the word cannot or can't it is in the same context as john mcenroe saying "you cannot be serious"

The umpire was never having a laugh

if you want to point out the advantages of SKDs, weight training and body compostion Vs all other diets im all ears

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Pscarb

i train on very low if not zero carbs at times all i am getting at LS is you make a statement of you cannot do this or that yet if someone else was and have done in the past the same statement you would want clarification and you know it....

you can train of SKD.....

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sainsbury's mate

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guys,google search black seed oil,its got alot of muscle building properties,example-essential amino acids,protien,iron,sodium,carbs,calcium and the list goes on..... scientists are still discovering new ingrediants in it.its the secret to ll cool js body and the guy looks gud,he's in his forties now,iv got a few lads on it now from my gym,they said you right mate,cud help in fat loss as aswell and build lean muscle,its got no known side affects,i know this has got nothing to do with this thread,just trying to be helpfull in your quest to build muscle,its only available on the net,have a luck at least,its got alot of history behind it,

adesign

Debates are all good and well, but I would appreciate some more directed help :]

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Lost Soul

From all your posts paul you state you diet on carbs and their importance, but im not even going down that route.

Find me someone who advocates SKDs and weight training and Im all ears..no re feeds, no odd carbs binges a true SKD and I will happily embrace the information

The lad states he is weak, has no energy and feels light headed,,is an SKD good here?

Lyle says no, I have to agree from reading and trying it

I stand by my points
SKDs are not designed for weight trainers and are not, from anecdotal evidence and logic ideal for body composition

My advice is diet with carbs

That is IMO irrelevant/poor/incorrect info

-The fats are omega 6 heavy and our diet is high in them anyway (around 60% of the oil)
-Seed aminos will be removed from the oil and even then they are not a high ratio of EAA
-It will not directly burn fat
-LL cool J is not a reference in the bodybuilding world and infact I lol'd at that bit

Whilst I appreciate you are trying to help its not correct and sounds like a marketing leaftlet you were given

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Pscarb

So all my posts i advocate carbs do i LS i state i use carb cycling different thing you will find...

the point i am trying to make to you is that on many occasions other members have said such a statement as fact and you have been down on them like a ton of bricks, you can train and diet on SKD i have done this in the past and so have some of the guys and girls i train you can believe it if you want still won't change that saying you cannot do it is wrong....

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Lost Soul

Im sure you know I am aware of that, although cycling carbs is a fundemental part of the CKD hence why i said it

Very few things are fact in BBing, hence why discussion forums exist

Im happy to listen to why an SKD is ideal for weight training, a simple list is fine

anyway there is a similar thread going on for round 2 if you care to join me

(ps I have too made some 'factual statements' based on opinion )

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/losing-we...keto-diet.html

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