cwoody123

O i measured myself last night and i have lost 1" from my waist and none from anywhere else.

YetiMan

Well done on loosing an inch, thank you very much for the reciepe as well

Tinytom

Woody

Fair enough, just seemed like my help was being thrown back at me. Of course its your decision and I respect that, I just wanted you to make the most progress you could as I know what a fight you've had.

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Lost Soul

Do you not believe in energy flux though?
TBh there is no doubt unless you have a lighteneing quick metabolism the combination of diet, cardio and weights has benefits over diet and weights only. This has been shown plenty of times.
Thats susbtrate utilisation and the enrgy flux for you

What is the lowest BF% you have been to as in your avatar it looks around 15-18% is

have you tried getting razor sharp without cardio?

Pscarb

no offence is ever taken unless an insult is being made, we advise to what we see the best approach for fat loss and muscle saving and this is where i was confused to why you made the choices you did when their so many better choices available to you.

Cardio does alot more than just lose fat, what i don't understand is if you are losing fat without cardio why not speed up the process and add it in 3-4 times a week??

I am intrigued by you losing 1in from your waist and no where else on your body what do you put this spot reduction down to??

cwoody123

I could easily do cardio if i liked but i believe and have experienced lots of muscle loss from doing so...this was also probably down to not eating enough and unknowingly having no testosterone at the time.

I don't believe that it is spot reduction, its more the order in which fat comes off. My upper half is pretty lean, i seem to hold a lot on my hips, if i loose water or fat in this area it will have an affect on the measurement of my waist (Well that's my theory anyway )

cwoody123

Energy flux? excuse me for being dim but whats that all about?

Where has this been shown plenty of times? I have also seen people make who look fantastic who do no cardio

Cardio burns relativity small amounts of calories and also raises catabolic hormones...i would just rather not eat 300-400 calories rather than slogging my guts for 45 mins, straining my joints and getting shin splints and lower my testosterone.

This is the lowest Bf% i have ever been even when i was 10st i was a lot fatter. Over the next 4 months i want to get sub 10% and that includes a bulking cycle.

Time will tell if i can get razor sharp (would be nice!)

hackskii

A few things.

First RomperStomper please do not flame other members, if you have something not nice to say, take it to a PM or give me a PM please with your frusterations.

Guys the induction phase of the Atkins diet is very simple, this is from their website:
No more than 20 grams of Carbs. per day. This includes eating 2 to 3 cups salad vegetables a day or other low carb vegetables. The focus of your meals should be on protein and fats. Examples, Meat, nuts, cheese, olives, cream, sour cream and other low carb foods.
After 2 days of the diets, you may want to buy some Lipolysis Testing strips, also known as Ketone Testing Sticks , to test your ketosis level. Do not skip meals. During the Atkins Induction Phase you should not consume fruit, bread, pasta, grains, starchy vegetables, flour, sugar or legumes. It is preferable that you do not eat nuts or seeds during induction. It is preferable that most of the 20 grams of carbs. that you eat during the induction phase come from salad greens and other non starchy vegetables. Never assume that a food is low in carbs. Always check the carb count on the package or use a carbohydrate counter.


OK, the idea here is simple, I do understand what you guys are saying, but honestly he could use some better choices of meat, but all is acceptable on the Atkins/ketogenic diet.
All this is especially in the induction phase of this diet.
The whole idea here is to get into ketosis and stay there for a determined weight loss period of time.
His health will not be compromised, he will not get any better results swapping around fats, adding diffrent protein sources, or anything.

What might need to be addressed is the fact that this diet has a diuretic effect, so a multivitamin would be a good idea, as well as calcium and potassium due to the diuretic effects of the diet. Fish oils should be consumed but that is with any diet or any way of eating.
Again the bacon is not used here as a protein source so lets not even suggest that his protein sources are poor as bacon is being used for its fat.
He can have a burger patty with cheese on it and put some sour cream on that if he likes. No problems what so ever with that.
The whole idea here is to get into ketosis where fat burning is at its highest.

I am getting the flavor of some of these posts that suggest you guys just dont understand what is being done here. Once in ketosis you can not improve the diet, it is doing what it is suppsed to do.
The diet is stopped, or modified once the targeted pounds are gone.
Once this happens the whole thing will change.
Again, his health is not being compromised, his food choices are fine, I would actually like him to eat less carbs as some of the seeds and nuts can creap up on you and kick you out of ketosis.
Once in ketosis, he should feel awesome.

I do think judging by his amount of food, adding in cardio might be a bit catabolic, once he goes off the diet, or the diet stalls, then he can do cardio, he wont need it right now.
His cals in is a bit light.

trickymicky69

This is the part of the log I am waiting for as the "low-energy" side of things has always worried me with these types of diets.

Lost Soul

There is your topic of googling

I posted stuff up RE cortisol and cardio and you are looking at extreme cardio

Cardio mobilises fat more efficiently than diet alone which goes back to the idea of flux

TBH I don't think you are in a position to comment then RE muscle loss in cardio and body fat. I appreciate you have read a lot but if your current condition is as low as you have been I would listen to the gents here...getting to 10 is a piece of cake...keeping muscle under that is a fine art and I think you will have a change of heart when you get there

cwoody123

But if i can get there without it then that would be good. This is no more than a personal experiment for me which i choose to log here. Honestly if it does not work or the effects are minimal it will be plain for myself and you all to see.

i will look up that Flux thingy now ;-)

winger

Bump for later read.

An average male that does the 14 day induction Atkins diet will loose about 12 lbs (if memory serves) in 14 days, on average.
I know people that have made really good results doing the keto diet and being in ketosis.

thestudbeast

Shame no one has anything really interesting to say on this topic, loads of misconceptions going on both sides of this argument. Most people that excel in bodybuilding are carb burners and gain best from clean burning fats hence I get where they are coming from, plus bacon and pork scratchings are just sh1t.

However

Salmon - mainly farmed and has a craping fatty acid profile
beef - cattle are grain fed these days so ditto
nuts - only a few are worth talking about like walnuts and almonds and almonds need soaking
P.Butter - over rated
Mackrell - the dogs bollox, load with coenzyme q10 and EFA's
butter - it's good stuff but get the free range and only use a little a day
double cream - worth getting if you can find free range produced
avocado's - do contain carbs but half a day
free range meat - any type but grass feed, if you can't afford it then yes lean meats will be better.
coconut oil - really great stuff, been shown to lower BF by increasing the metabolism and kill bad bacteria.
creamed coconut - barts organic, you can just eat this right out of the pack
sardines, sprats, hering hell theres loads of oily fish that are all great.
whole eggs - free range of course.
organ meat - yes from free ranged animals, it's loaded with nutrients even if it does taste like ****.
Olive oil - well Extra virgin olive oil (unfiltered) to be precise, another great oil
Fish oils - everyone knows about these

Clydefrog

In your profile, Woody, it says you are a Graphic Designer. What do you design?

cwoody123

Websites, Magazine adverts, graphics, 3d models etc...