Con

WTF kind of a diet is this?!?!?
No offense mate but bacon and butter are you having a laugh?!
Try this.
meal 1:6 whole omega eggs
meal 2: 225 grams chicken, brocoli, 10 grams fish oil
meal 3: same as meal 2
meal 4: 225 grams salmon, asparagus
meal 5: large steak with a large green salad NOT ice berg lettuce
shake@ any time of the day 50 grams whey along with a handfull of nuts

Once per week a carb meal containing 200 carbs prior to bed (dont do this until you have been on the diet for two weeks).

I mean really mate i threw up a little reading this thread and to who ever adviced butter is my only response.
A keto diet relies on ketones as fuel not glucose what you are doing is the pig ignorant version of a atkins diet WHICH HE DID NOT ACTUALLY OUT LINE LIKE MOST IDIOTS THINK there is a comprehensive book that he wrote that out lines every thing.

Your diet will lead to a loss of muscle tissue a lot of strenght will be lost you will feel sluggish not to mention what all that saturated fat will do to you.

Also no offense my man but one month of any diet bar perhaps a 21 day psycho hcg diet(which does work i know the guys jimmy means) will have you having a 6 pack.
Now a nice 16 week diet using my diet (actually a slighty modified Dave Palumbo ketogenic diet) will have you fat free and looking and feeling great.

hackskii

Bacon and butter is fine on a keto diet, fats have to come from all sources, not just fish, saturated fats are necessary.

The original Atkins diet for fast weight loss is this.
30 grams of carbs or less.
As much fat and protein as you want.
Induction phase.
No problems at all.

Ketosis is ketosis.
Now if you want to argue the nutritional value of it then fine.

Is it effective?
Absolutly for those that have a hard time losing fat.
Is it safer?
Probably overall no, but for short time absolutly..

I have used the Atkins diet many times, I do think it has its place.
It is not used for contest prepping or anything like that.

Con

I am perfectly aware that any fats are fine on the keto diet, however, i was under the impression that people cared about the health of their body.
I am not talking about contest dieting i am talking about having a diet to rid the body of its fat stores while trying to keep the body as healthy as possible.
At the end of the day every one to their own but there is a much healthier body friendly way to do that diet than what he has out lined.

FYI to the poster this is not an attack on you so dont take offense this board is all about voicing opinions and thats what i have done. Whatever you do good luck with your diet and achieving your goals

cwoody123

i am going to implement more fish into my diet mate...that is part of the plan...i have actually got fresh mackerel tonight for dinner and steak and salad for lunch.

Yesterdays diet was crud as i had a busy day!

As far as i am aware the concerns of dietary cholesterol affecting bodys cholesterol is vastly over exaggerated...it is actually much more down to genetics than anything else.

I am getting good fats in also in the form of olive oil and Omega 3 supplementation.

cwoody123

Ok mate i will add more food...had a pretty hectic day yesterday...I'm finding my appetite is going very quickly!

Is sugar free jelly ok...i have heard conflicting reports that Sweetners actually spike you insulin?

cwoody123

And where did i mention butter??

shorty

sorry woody to jack your thread... con is this on your contest thread??

just interested in seeing it mate! could you post it up?

cwoody123

Day 3

Breakfast:
2 Eggs
1 Sausage
3 Bacon
Mushrooms
All fried in Olive oil

Snack:
Brazil nuts

Lunch:
Steak red peppers with Tabasco sauce
Dollop of mayo

PW shake

Dinner:
Fresh Mackeral
Cheese
Salad

Evening:
100% Quarter pounder with Mustard

Today i am feeling really shlt! energy low. I hope this does not keep up because i am really struggling.

hackskii

Actually the nice thing about the Atkins type keto diet is the fact that lipid profiles actually look better while on a keto diet.
Yep, that is right, LDL cholesterol goes down, triglycerices go down, insulin sensitivity goes up, lipid profile overall looks better.

With that said, adding in anything to the diet wont make it any healthier.
There are some issues with a keto diet, but for the length of time he will be on, they work very well and offer no health problems.

Keto diets in the beginning work better than most diets, offer better cholesterol profiles too, it is the long term that they dont work any better on and the lipid profile benefits are lost.

So, you can eat all the fat and protein you want, regardless if it is butter, cheese, bacon grease, what ever, they will still work and no health problems will happen.
When I was on a keto diet I used to buy the fattest meats and dip the meat in the fat once cooked.

Remember fat once it gets used for fuel will come from everwhere in the body, the body will scavenger fat from any place it wants to supply the body with fuel, this is probably the reason why lipid profiles are improved.
Seriously it is nothing to worry about.

ba baracuss

Interesting thread.

I have some handles that I could do with losing.

At the moment I have added in 2 miles/half an hour of fast walking post workout, 3-4 times a week, and have dropped the slice of bread, albeit granary, I would have with meals.

I don't think I would go this far as muscle growth is more important to me than losing fat, but each to their own.

Nytol

Nothing wrong with butter,

cwoody123

Just woke up after falling asleep after work... Had to miss gym tonight as my body is all over the place...i think i will lower ECA stack as i am feeling really jittery but also flat at the same time.

Anyone know if sugar free jelly is ok?

hackskii

Sugar free jelly is fine, so is a piece of cheese....lol

cwoody123

That is good news as i got the misses to make a shed load of it! lol

I felt a bit better and have just been training...shlty workout to be honest but i got what i needed to do done.

Fell like puking now a bit.

Con

I dont have the exact info mate but www.musculardevelopment.com under the Dave Palumbo ask Q thread in the pros section talks non stop about it.
Basically 1.5 grams protein per lb of body weight, .5 grams of fat per lb of body weight with one recarb meal prior to bed once every week after the initial two weeks have passed. Fiberous carbs are allowed such as brocoli and asparagus.

@nytol, i know what you mean about mate with butter not being bad ext i just got a pretty bad impression of the guys diet from his first few posts.
He makes no mention of any fiber ext thus far from a healthy diet IMO.

Sugar free things are fine but take the calories into consideration i mean its usually only one carb per packet so no big deal UNLESS your consuming enourmous quantities so just stay in moderation. Plus you want your stomach to shrink so reducing quantities going in is a good idea.