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Old 02-07-2008, 11:28 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Day 10

Today my mind felt sharp all morning and mood was good, i seemed to get those afternoon blues again where i just want to go home and go to bed. Which when i get home i do for about an hour, i then feel much better again.

As i mentioned before i took all my measurements and the only one that changed was 1" off my waist. I maybe lost some fat and water on my hips which is where i seem predisposed to hold fat.

I am still in ketosis, i notice that at different times of the day the ketone's are stronger, sometimes there are traces and other times there are large amounts.

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Omelette made with cream 4 eggs, mushrroms, chopped cucumber.

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Nuts

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Salad made with cheese, garlic sausage, beef, mayo, cucumber, avacado, half a tomato, mayo, pepper.

Snack:
Jelly
low carb cookie
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3 Chicken legs, Gravy, Cabbage, sugar snap peas.
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:42 PM   #138 (permalink)
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O i measured myself last night and i have lost 1" from my waist and none from anywhere else.
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this was also probably down to not eating enough and unknowingly having no testosterone at the time.

I don't believe that it is spot reduction, its more the order in which fat comes off. My upper half is pretty lean, i seem to hold a lot on my hips, if i loose water or fat in this area it will have an affect on the measurement of my waist (Well that's my theory anyway )
nice theory mate but the top quote clearly states no loss any where else so that is in fact spot reduction, it is hard for me to believe you have lost as much as 1inch off your waste whilst not losing anything from any where else as stated.

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I do understand what you guys are saying, but honestly he could use some better choices of meat, but all is acceptable on the Atkins/ketogenic diet.?
yes acceptable but why settle for crap when you can acheive the same if not better results with better choices

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His health will not be compromised, he will not get any better results swapping around fats, adding diffrent protein sources, or anything.
this is just not true, his health will be compromised if he eats to many trans-fats as they are not used like other fats, plus his muscle base will increase if he choose more complete proteins you cannot get round this fact.

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What might need to be addressed is the fact that this diet has a diuretic effect, so a multivitamin would be a good idea, as well as calcium and potassium due to the diuretic effects of the diet.
the diuretic effect is from the lack of carbs just like any other diet due to the amount of water the body holds per gram of carbs(2.7g)

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Again the bacon is not used here as a protein source so lets not even suggest that his protein sources are poor as bacon is being used for its fat.
this may be so why not choose salmon or mackerel both will give sufficient fat plus the added benefit of decent protein??


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I am getting the flavor of some of these posts that suggest you guys just dont understand what is being done here. Once in ketosis you can not improve the diet, it is doing what it is suppsed to do.
we understand what he is doing Scott it is we disagree on the foods he is eating yes you are correct that ketosis will be achieved what me and Tom are saying you can achieve this with better choices of foods without the harmful trans-fats and the added benefit of better more complete protein foods i just don't understand the choice of substandard foods when their are better choices available.
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:24 AM   #140 (permalink)
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Re: KETO -- Diary

Well i am trying to clean the diet up a bit mate...Have fresh mackeral in the freezer so will dig out.

Anyone know any good recipes for mackerel to make it a bit more interesting? I'm thinking lemon and ground pepper?
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Re: KETO -- Diary

If you are in ketosis then you are loosing fat, period!
Personally, I wouldn't change a thing.

Woody, how long are you going to do the keto diet?
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But if i can get there without it then that would be good. This is no more than a personal experiment for me which i choose to log here. Honestly if it does not work or the effects are minimal it will be plain for myself and you all to see.

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Shame no one has anything really interesting to say on this topic, loads of misconceptions going on both sides of this argument. Most people that excel in bodybuilding are carb burners and gain best from clean burning fats hence I get where they are coming from, plus bacon and pork scratchings are just sh1t.
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Old 03-07-2008, 06:54 AM   #143 (permalink)
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Fillet the mackerel and roll the fillet with the skin on the out side. Put a skewer through the fillets and grill (use a little coconut oil or butter to keep it moist). Make a salsa to go with it as a sauce from avarcardo, tomatoes, onion, coriander and a little olive oil. Serve with broccoli.
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Re: KETO -- Diary

Ok i have a couple of Boo Boo's to own up too, it was not just my waist where there was weight loss. I did i full measure up this morning and checked it against my results that i posted (I was doing it in my head the first time!)

Here are my actual measurments taken today measured with Myotape:

Hips/Bum -- 37"
Waist -- 33.1/6"
Chest -- 37"
Neck -- 15"
Bicep -- R-14 1/4" L-14"
Legs -- R-22 1/2" L- 22"


So Pscarb you are right the weight loss was not all in one place. I am thinking most of this is water & Glycogen thou as my chest area, arms and shoulders are definatly looking a lot flatter and softer.

Start measurments:
Hips/Bum -- 37"
Waist -- 34"
Chest -- 38"
Neck -- 15"
Bicep -- R-14 1/4" L-14"
Legs -- R-23 1/2" L- 22 1/2"

I also tested my blood pressure today and it was 134/64 so all good!


People can choose to believe what they want, i have no reason to lie to myself or to any of you, if you feel that way then please feel free to ignore the post.

Romper Stomper for some one who thinks so little of me and my progress you seem to be frequnting this post an awful lot!

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Woody i am not having a go mate when i post i have to be honest on my opinions of peoples diets and this is all i was doing, Keto diets work period i have used them myself and on people i coach many many times with a 100% success rate i was merly pointing out that for a guy who takes steroids more thought should be put into high fat foods with decent protein profiles, i actually had your best interest in mind....

As for the size loss it is not about me being correct or not it is about you being able to keep acurate records so you can track your progress and yes at this stage i would bet most if not all was water and glycogen loss...
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Day 14
Ok so i weighed myself this morning and i weigh 11st 10 which is a lb heavier than last week. I have been in ketosis all week, my mind is sharp now and i don't feel week training any more.

I have had some light head aches of late but nothing to bad, they seem to go as quick as they came.

Looking in the mirror i think i look leaner, my hips feel leaner and my tummy is showing a little more definition, i had a quick measure of my waist and it is now 32 1/2" as opposed to 33" last week.

As i have gone up a lb do you think i have actually put on a little muscle or maybe put on some fat.

Do you think i should reduce calories a little or dare i say it do some cardio, or just leave things how they are?
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As i have gone up a lb do you think i have actually put on a little muscle or maybe put on some fat.
If it went down by 3lbs would you equate that to 3 solid pounds of fat have been burt up and used ? Thats ALOT of energy!

personally Ive pretty much sacked off using scales after watching an episode of Ultimate fighter, 4th episode 1st series. a guy is 20lbs overweight for his class and has 24 hours to lose the weight !!! He weighs in next day at 4lbs over and has 2 hours to lose the weight. 2 hours later hes within the limit for his weight class. If the human body can fluctuate its weight by that much then its a pretty poor measurement of fat loss or muscle gain.

Go by the mirror mate. People can weigh whatever they want, your goal isnt to weigh in at a certain weight, its to look better, so judge your results by the mirror.
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20 lbs overweight would be an awful lot of water to lose, almost 3 gallons.
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