Does loosing body fat help speed up muscle growth? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

pras1011 · 03-06-2008, 10:09 PM

Basically does having less fat mean that your body will build muscle quicker?

MXD · 03-06-2008, 10:14 PM

Yes you'll have more testosterone as aromatise enzymes are loacted in adipoise tissue.

Mrdaveyk · 03-06-2008, 10:18 PM

that i did not know

Iron19 · 03-06-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrdaveyk

that i did not know

Same with me. Learn something new everyday.

pras1011 · 03-06-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MXD

Yes you'll have more testosterone as aromatise enzymes are loacted in adipoise tissue.

Thanks. Can you translate that to english? Sorry! Can you explain your sentence?

Thanks a lot

MXD · 03-06-2008, 10:27 PM

Lol rep me then you a$$es

Basically your free testosterone is detemined by how much doesnt bind to shbg (sec hormone binding gobulin) and how much gets converted to estrogen via the aromatize enzyme. Less fat = less aromatise enzyme = more free T

pras1011 · 03-06-2008, 10:31 PM

Thanks. Whats SHBG?
What percentage of body fat do you need to be at the minimum?

pauly7582 · 07-06-2008, 02:16 PM

Not strictly true I'm afraid. The aromatase enzyme is found in many tissues including gonads, brain, placenta, blood vessels, skin, bone as well as adipose tissue

Tesosterone will always be regulated by aromatase from these sites no matter how lean you get. What is always overlooked, and has been here, are the growth and differentiation effects of oestrogen. Oestrogen is essential for muscle building.

Unless you are modbidly obese then adipocity has little effect on the capacity to build muscle or how much test is available for use. Things are regulated just fine in a normal healthy person. Oestrogen also impacts the regulation of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, but again unless you are morbidly obese for a number of years the effect on available test and therefore hypertrophy is minimal.

Ziricote · 07-06-2008, 02:30 PM

I know I keep going on about it but GLUT4 is a key factor for someone who wants to gain lean bodymass. Strenuous exercise will raise GLUT4 in striated muscle and lower it in adipose cells, the whole thing is quite complicated so I won't fool you into thinking I know it all but by lowering GLUT4 in bodyfat while raising it in muscle (by working out) you then lower PPAR-Gamma which in turn makes your body secrete less insulin and make muscle more insulin sensitive. On the other side of it Asians naturally have higher PPAR-Gamma levels and with the import of Western fast food many find themselves prone to insulin insensitivity.

In short, exercise in itself primes your muscles to be fed those all important nutrients while it maintains or lowers normal bodyfat saturation. Of course you can still oversaturate so sorting your diet to work for you is essential.

EDIT- Eh, so yeah...losing bodyfat will help

pras1011 · 07-06-2008, 03:21 PM

I am asian. Majority of asians have thin weak ectomorph type bodies. And when we are thin and have a bulging bellies, thats a very bad sign of poor health (on set of diabetes I think). And whats worse is that my mum developed diabetes in her 40's. I did have a bulging belly but I have managed to lose about 3.5 inches (plus some muscle mass loss). Someone tell me that this is a good thing!

Therefore I must be insulin resistant? The more fat I lose espically around the belly, I increase insulin sensitivity.

Tatyana · 07-06-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziricote

I know I keep going on about it but GLUT4 is a key factor for someone who wants to gain lean bodymass. Strenuous exercise will raise GLUT4 in striated muscle and lower it in adipose cells, the whole thing is quite complicated so I won't fool you into thinking I know it all but by lowering GLUT4 in bodyfat while raising it in muscle (by working out) you then lower PPAR-Gamma which in turn makes your body secrete less insulin and make muscle more insulin sensitive. On the other side of it Asians naturally have higher PPAR-Gamma levels and with the import of Western fast food many find themselves prone to insulin insensitivity.

In short, exercise in itself primes your muscles to be fed those all important nutrients while it maintains or lowers normal bodyfat saturation. Of course you can still oversaturate so sorting your diet to work for you is essential.

EDIT- Eh, so yeah...losing bodyfat will help

Explained in simple terms, if you have more muscle than fat, or a good bodyfat percentage (usually around 17 % for women and 12% for men), the insulin response is more likely to drive nutrients into your muscles, rather than you fat cells.

Tatyana · 07-06-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pras1011

I am asian. Majority of asians have thin weak ectomorph type bodies. And when we are thin and have a bulging bellies, thats a very bad sign of poor health (on set of diabetes I think). And whats worse is that my mum developed diabetes in her 40's. I did have a bulging belly but I have managed to lose about 3.5 inches (plus some muscle mass loss). Someone tell me that this is a good thing!

Therefore I must be insulin resistant? The more fat I lose espically around the belly, I increase insulin sensitivity.

Really?

I keep seeing more and more Asian BBers in the UK, and a lot of them are freaking amazing.

Don't buy into that.

Type II diabetes is a disease of lifestyle, it is not genetic, so change your lifestyle, change your diet, put on muscle = no diabetes.

pras1011 · 07-06-2008, 04:44 PM

But the asian bodybuilders never stated off big. Ask them what body type they had.

I too believe Diabetes is a lifestyle disease. Unfortunately asian people are more likely to get it due thier diet of mainly rice. I use to eat rice everyday. Now since Feb this year I have changed my entire lifestyle especially what I eat!

I am currently 15% (down from 19%!). I am hoping my muscle building will be a lot more better!

Tatyana · 07-06-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pras1011

But the asian bodybuilders never stated off big. Ask them what body type they had.

I too believe Diabetes is a lifestyle disease. Unfortunately asian people are more likely to get it due thier diet of mainly rice. I use to eat rice everyday. Now since Feb this year I have changed my entire lifestyle especially what I eat!

I am currently 15% (down from 19%!). I am hoping my muscle building will be a lot more better!

Every single medical journal in the world says that type II diabetes is a lifestyle disease.

I know some really big Asian lads, naturally big.

To say that all Asian peeps have the same type of bodies is bonkers, that would be like saying all English people have the same type of body.

pras1011 · 07-06-2008, 05:58 PM

I said majority not all!

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pras1011 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 45	Re: Does loosing body fat help speed up muscle growth? Thanks. Whats SHBG? What percentage of body fat do you need to be at the minimum?

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pauly7582 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,612	Re: Does loosing body fat help speed up muscle growth? Not strictly true I'm afraid. The aromatase enzyme is found in many tissues including gonads, brain, placenta, blood vessels, skin, bone as well as adipose tissue Tesosterone will always be regulated by aromatase from these sites no matter how lean you get. What is always overlooked, and has been here, are the growth and differentiation effects of oestrogen. Oestrogen is essential for muscle building. Unless you are modbidly obese then adipocity has little effect on the capacity to build muscle or how much test is available for use. Things are regulated just fine in a normal healthy person. Oestrogen also impacts the regulation of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, but again unless you are morbidly obese for a number of years the effect on available test and therefore hypertrophy is minimal. __________________ 6ft 222lb 12%bf Strength cycle: Test enth/Tren enth/Oxymeth/Halo/Proviron/T3 Bench: 180kg Deadlift: 260kg Squat: 200kg (for reps- focusing on DL over quads) Overhead Press: 100kg

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Ziricote Gym Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 444	Re: Does loosing body fat help speed up muscle growth? I know I keep going on about it but GLUT4 is a key factor for someone who wants to gain lean bodymass. Strenuous exercise will raise GLUT4 in striated muscle and lower it in adipose cells, the whole thing is quite complicated so I won't fool you into thinking I know it all but by lowering GLUT4 in bodyfat while raising it in muscle (by working out) you then lower PPAR-Gamma which in turn makes your body secrete less insulin and make muscle more insulin sensitive. On the other side of it Asians naturally have higher PPAR-Gamma levels and with the import of Western fast food many find themselves prone to insulin insensitivity. In short, exercise in itself primes your muscles to be fed those all important nutrients while it maintains or lowers normal bodyfat saturation. Of course you can still oversaturate so sorting your diet to work for you is essential. EDIT- Eh, so yeah...losing bodyfat will help

07-06-2008, 03:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
pras1011 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 45	Re: Does loosing body fat help speed up muscle growth? I am asian. Majority of asians have thin weak ectomorph type bodies. And when we are thin and have a bulging bellies, thats a very bad sign of poor health (on set of diabetes I think). And whats worse is that my mum developed diabetes in her 40's. I did have a bulging belly but I have managed to lose about 3.5 inches (plus some muscle mass loss). Someone tell me that this is a good thing! Therefore I must be insulin resistant? The more fat I lose espically around the belly, I increase insulin sensitivity.

07-06-2008, 04:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
pras1011 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 45	Re: Does loosing body fat help speed up muscle growth? But the asian bodybuilders never stated off big. Ask them what body type they had. I too believe Diabetes is a lifestyle disease. Unfortunately asian people are more likely to get it due thier diet of mainly rice. I use to eat rice everyday. Now since Feb this year I have changed my entire lifestyle especially what I eat! I am currently 15% (down from 19%!). I am hoping my muscle building will be a lot more better!

07-06-2008, 05:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
pras1011 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 45	Re: Does loosing body fat help speed up muscle growth? I said majority not all!

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