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adh100 · 30-05-2008, 01:39 PM

just read article and found agood site that tells you what your intake should be displaying ratio percentages for Carb, Protien and Fat intake. Tells you what you need to intake to either maintain, cut or increase weight.

link: http://www.hpathy.com/healthtools/calories-need.asp

Lost Soul · 30-05-2008, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXD

Its the fact that chris thib and other t-nationers reccomend the 10*lmb deficit. And so far I've had good results on it. But I'm going to be doing;
high
low
no

carb days in that order from now on. Also I am mega dosing bcaa/eaa which are incredible..

Thanks for your help all.

Is this usual for you?
It is not required as you will get them in food. The trick is to get enough fat not to drop too low on calories

Quote:

Originally Posted by adh100

just read article and found agood site that tells you what your intake should be displaying ratio percentages for Carb, Protien and Fat intake. Tells you what you need to intake to either maintain, cut or increase weight.

link: http://www.hpathy.com/healthtools/calories-need.asp

With all dues respect that is not applicable or accurate

MXD · 30-05-2008, 01:58 PM

Mega dosing bcaa/eaa is incredible lost soul, you constantly feel fresh never fatigue and hold onto more muscle.

I go when dieting 5g 5* pd inbetween meals

When bulking 7g 5*pd eaa inbetween meals

Training 25g eaa pre with equal amount of carb (this spikes protein synthesis for 3h and causes a large secondary insulin output post training with no other nutrients required!!)
During 35g bcaa
post 10g eaa

If you have the cash try it and you won't regret it.

Lost Soul · 30-05-2008, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXD

Mega dosing bcaa/eaa is incredible lost soul, you constantly feel fresh never fatigue and hold onto more muscle.

I go when dieting 5g 5* pd inbetween meals

When bulking 7g 5*pd eaa inbetween meals

Training 25g eaa pre with equal amount of carb (this spikes protein synthesis for 3h and causes a large secondary insulin output post training with no other nutrients required!!)
During 35g bcaa
post 10g eaa

If you have the cash try it and you won't regret it.

Both are so easily sourced in food though. I can understand some saying during a work out or with IGF PWo but realistically ingesting them between meals? not worth it. once you realise how many BCAAs and EAAs are in food you realise its not worth it

MXD · 30-05-2008, 02:16 PM

So spiking protein synthesis within 20 mins inbetween meals isn't worth it?

Think about what you are saying.... They stimulate metabolism helping you get leaner and stop muscle being catabolised while on a deficit..

I'd say do not knock it till you've tried it.

Lost Soul · 30-05-2008, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXD

So spiking protein synthesis within 20 mins inbetween meals isn't worth it?

Think about what you are saying.... They stimulate metabolism helping you get leaner and stop muscle being catabolised while on a deficit..

I'd say do not knock it till you've tried it.

I have

Tall · 30-05-2008, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXD

Its the fact that chris thib and other t-nationers reccomend the 10*lmb deficit. And so far I've had good results on it. But I'm going to be doing;
high
low
no

carb days in that order from now on. Also I am mega dosing bcaa/eaa which are incredible..

Thanks for your help all.

What did Chris Thib do on his diet where he went from being a huge fatty to not being a fatty...? I dont think it was 10 * lbm, btu I could be wrong.

MXD · 30-05-2008, 10:52 PM

Yeah chris thib went lower than 10* lbm and heavily dosed bcaa...

Tall · 30-05-2008, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXD

Yeah chris thib went lower than 10* lbm and heavily dosed bcaa...

Got a link?

Five-O · 30-05-2008, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXD

Alright lads, I'm after the opinions of those who have dieted to sub 6% and how best to acheive it.

I'm currently dieting and cosuming 10*lbm calories, under 100g carbs per day.
Sitting at 10%ish body fat and I'm planning a reffed e7d consisting of more carbs.

I also plan to drop a day/s between reffeeds as I get continually leaner.

Now I was wondering what you all think I should take my calories to on my refeed as I'm eating 1650 pd / 10*lbm currently.

Or would you suggest a different approach as carb rotation, or a type of ckd?, cheers.

My maintainance = 2475k

No need for long term dieting, try reading up on the HCG approach mate, around 3-4 weeks on extremly low cals but with no muscle loss and around a drop of 15-20lbs....I know a handful who've been a success with it, inc a few members on here.

MXD · 31-05-2008, 12:09 AM

Cheers Jimmy I'll look into it.

Lost Soul · 31-05-2008, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXD

Yeah chris thib went lower than 10* lbm and heavily dosed bcaa...

Did he write anything about post prandial hyperaminoacidemia if he was taking these between meals?

MXD · 31-05-2008, 10:21 AM

I can' t actually find the op which is annoying but I will keep looking.

As for post prandial hyperaminoacidemia, it would only lead to an increase in nitrogen retention.. I know protein break down increases via more protein oxidation but nitrogen retnetion goes up..

Lost Soul · 31-05-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MXD

I can' t actually find the op which is annoying but I will keep looking.

As for post prandial hyperaminoacidemia, it would only lead to an increase in nitrogen retention.. I know protein break down increases via more protein oxidation but nitrogen retnetion goes up..

But thats the point, meals allow for the hyperaminoacidemia for hours after ingestion, they dont drop unless you are simply drinking whey shake, even they they stay eleveated for 1 hour. AAs are also insulinogenic, why would you want that spike when dieting all the time?

Five-O · 31-05-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MXD

Cheers Jimmy I'll look into it.

Mate, you've made some great progress, the avatar looks excellent, I don'ty think it will be hard to achieve what you want to do, your always methodical and research the subject thoroughly, in all fairness more ppl or newbies to gear should follow your example.

Hope it goes well

30-05-2008, 01:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
adh100 Just learning and doing it!!! Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 45	Re: Diet to get shredded, help please. just read article and found agood site that tells you what your intake should be displaying ratio percentages for Carb, Protien and Fat intake. Tells you what you need to intake to either maintain, cut or increase weight. link: http://www.hpathy.com/healthtools/calories-need.asp

30-05-2008, 01:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
MXD v&e for the win Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,467 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Diet to get shredded, help please. Mega dosing bcaa/eaa is incredible lost soul, you constantly feel fresh never fatigue and hold onto more muscle. I go when dieting 5g 5* pd inbetween meals When bulking 7g 5*pd eaa inbetween meals Training 25g eaa pre with equal amount of carb (this spikes protein synthesis for 3h and causes a large secondary insulin output post training with no other nutrients required!!) During 35g bcaa post 10g eaa If you have the cash try it and you won't regret it.

30-05-2008, 02:16 PM	#20 (permalink)
MXD v&e for the win Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,467 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Diet to get shredded, help please. So spiking protein synthesis within 20 mins inbetween meals isn't worth it? Think about what you are saying.... They stimulate metabolism helping you get leaner and stop muscle being catabolised while on a deficit.. I'd say do not knock it till you've tried it.

30-05-2008, 10:52 PM	#23 (permalink)
MXD v&e for the win Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,467 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Diet to get shredded, help please. Yeah chris thib went lower than 10* lbm and heavily dosed bcaa...

31-05-2008, 12:09 AM	#26 (permalink)
MXD v&e for the win Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,467 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Diet to get shredded, help please. Cheers Jimmy I'll look into it.

31-05-2008, 10:21 AM	#28 (permalink)
MXD v&e for the win Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,467 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Diet to get shredded, help please. I can' t actually find the op which is annoying but I will keep looking. As for post prandial hyperaminoacidemia, it would only lead to an increase in nitrogen retention.. I know protein break down increases via more protein oxidation but nitrogen retnetion goes up..

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