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bootneck01 · 23-04-2008, 07:14 PM

new to dieting how does this work ie over a week ulike normal dieting carbs ,prot fats same ev day eating about 440 carbs at mo 450g protien at mo per day

Lost Soul · 23-04-2008, 07:17 PM

generally:

protein remains the same day in day out
fat does
carbs follow the protocol below

high
medium
low

arrange training around it with major lifts when full replenished
off days when depleted and medium carb days for secondary movements and higher cardio days

**Pscarb** · 23-04-2008, 09:26 PM

i wouls agree with what LS has said about both the protein and carbs but not the fats these need to be raised and lowered depending on the carb day, i have done both ways and in my opinion altering the fats with your carbs is more productive..

carly · 23-04-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pscarb

i wouls agree with what LS has said about both the protein and carbs but not the fats these need to be raised and lowered depending on the carb day, i have done both ways and in my opinion altering the fats with your carbs is more productive..

all your advice is fantastic paul, be assured I will be hounding you with questions hope you dont mind :-))

**Pscarb** · 23-04-2008, 10:54 PM

mmm let me think girl in bikini hounding me....ok then

....no problem Carly

Lost Soul · 23-04-2008, 11:29 PM

Paul
the fat will remain static

The point being most people go too low on fat to avoid calories when dieting

The fat intake will remain fairly high on the off days and the carbs cycled to suit

So for the gent in question a low carb day may even be as high as 200g

**Pscarb** · 23-04-2008, 11:57 PM

sorry mate i have to disagree, on a low carb day which is generally 75-100g fat would be 120g on a high day of say 400-600g it would be 50g but in saying that their is no way one figure would fit all cases....

like i said my results in the past with myself and those i have coached have been much better when fats alter with carbs....

Lost Soul · 24-04-2008, 12:03 AM

We will have to agree to disagree my friend

TH&S · 24-04-2008, 12:33 AM

I've never seen fat remain static, and I don't see why it would.

Paul's way is correct to Polarise Fats and CHO.

Bearing in mind the OP is dieting, he would not want to have high fat or medium fat on a high CHO day, as he is using CHO as his primary energy source.

High CHO + High Fat = Adipogenisis

Lost Soul · 24-04-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TH&S

High CHO + High Fat = Adipogenisis

Indeed, conversely people will argue the lower the GI through ingestion of fat with carbs the lower the blood sugar rise and less likelyhood of fat being laid down, which i of course dont buy into

Also those who put forward the notion of omega3/9 Vs mono Vs sat and the insulin response when ingesting mixed macro meals and the impact on adipogenesis

i for one buy into high carsb = high insulin response, high insulin response and presence of fat = fat been driven into body fat cells far easier

TH&S · 24-04-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

Indeed, conversely people will argue the lower the GI through ingestion of fat with carbs the lower the blood sugar rise and less likelyhood of fat being laid down, which i of course dont buy into

Also those who put forward the notion of omega3/9 Vs mono Vs sat and the insulin response when ingesting mixed macro meals and the impact on adipogenesis

i for one buy into high carsb = high insulin response, high insulin response and presence of fat = fat been driven into body fat cells far easier

You haven't explained why you would have the fat remain static, you've just gone off on a random tangent again...

I mean, if fat lowering the GI of a meal was a sure fire method of avoiding adipogenesis then Ronald and his Golden Arches would be the stalwart of pre-contest prep... Indeed perhaps I could try living on lucosade and Cheese...

**Pscarb** · 24-04-2008, 08:10 AM

i agree high carb intake = high insulin responce cpl this with high fat intake and you get fat but that is not what i am saying, not only would you lower the fat intake as the carb amounts raise but you would make sure the fat intake is spread over the 6-8 meals ding this on the amounts i have suggested would mean an average fat amount per meal of 5-7g and this mostly being good fats so i really dont see the issue...?? plus when dieting decent amounts of good fats give alot more than just calories

TH&S · 24-04-2008, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

i agree high carb intake = high insulin responce cpl this with high fat intake and you get fat but that is not what i am saying, not only would you lower the fat intake as the carb amounts raise but you would make sure the fat intake is spread over the 6-8 meals ding this on the amounts i have suggested would mean an average fat amount per meal of 5-7g and this mostly being good fats so i really dont see the issue...?? plus when dieting decent amounts of good fats give alot more than just calories

^^^ This is correct.

Hence my question to Lost Soul as to why he would keep Fat Static, rather than polarise his Fats and Carbs.

greg fear · 24-04-2008, 10:08 AM

intresting debate here
so pscarb are u saying on higher carb days lower the
amount of gd fats u have to around half of what u wld on a low carb day

this is what i have bn doing and also thought this was the correct way to do it

am1ev1l · 24-04-2008, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

i agree high carb intake = high insulin responce cpl this with high fat intake and you get fat but that is not what i am saying, not only would you lower the fat intake as the carb amounts raise but you would make sure the fat intake is spread over the 6-8 meals ding this on the amounts i have suggested would mean an average fat amount per meal of 5-7g and this mostly being good fats so i really dont see the issue...?? plus when dieting decent amounts of good fats give alot more than just calories

This is what i have always been told/believed to be correct and has worked well for me in the past.

Nice post Pscarb.

23-04-2008, 07:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
bootneck01 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 31	carb cycling new to dieting how does this work ie over a week ulike normal dieting carbs ,prot fats same ev day eating about 440 carbs at mo 450g protien at mo per day

23-04-2008, 09:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
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23-04-2008, 11:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,242	Re: carb cycling sorry mate i have to disagree, on a low carb day which is generally 75-100g fat would be 120g on a high day of say 400-600g it would be 50g but in saying that their is no way one figure would fit all cases.... like i said my results in the past with myself and those i have coached have been much better when fats alter with carbs.... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Nutrition is your greatest anabolic agent; everything else is just the icing on the cake

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TH&S #1 Bob Nutcher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,243	Re: carb cycling I've never seen fat remain static, and I don't see why it would. Paul's way is correct to Polarise Fats and CHO. Bearing in mind the OP is dieting, he would not want to have high fat or medium fat on a high CHO day, as he is using CHO as his primary energy source. High CHO + High Fat = Adipogenisis __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. D: 220 \| B: 110 \| S: 170 \| Target: 550

24-04-2008, 08:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,242	Re: carb cycling i agree high carb intake = high insulin responce cpl this with high fat intake and you get fat but that is not what i am saying, not only would you lower the fat intake as the carb amounts raise but you would make sure the fat intake is spread over the 6-8 meals ding this on the amounts i have suggested would mean an average fat amount per meal of 5-7g and this mostly being good fats so i really dont see the issue...?? plus when dieting decent amounts of good fats give alot more than just calories __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Nutrition is your greatest anabolic agent; everything else is just the icing on the cake

24-04-2008, 10:08 AM	#14 (permalink)
greg fear Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 302	Re: carb cycling intresting debate here so pscarb are u saying on higher carb days lower the amount of gd fats u have to around half of what u wld on a low carb day this is what i have bn doing and also thought this was the correct way to do it

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