tojona

I'm afraid, with that kind of meal plan you will bloat out! Here's a quick fix that I used myself to shed 5 Kilograms in 10 days WITHOUT compromising my health!! You do this first, and then once the weight has dropped, you start working your way up with a better meal plan and exercise regime.

1. Find a Herbalife distributor (current sponsors of David Beckham's team LA Galaxy) in your area ... I'm assuming you live in the UK? Ask them to give you Formula 1 (3 tubs), Formula 2 (1 bottle), Formula 3 (1 bottle). The first is a powder/meal replacement (delicious!), and the latter are a combination of vitamin tablets (all naturally derived, so don't panic).
2. Go to Sainsbury's or Tesco's and get a bag of frozen mixed fruit...they include strawberry, blackberry, and lots more. Get fresh bananas, and get Soya milk.
3. Blend Formula 1 with above ingredients (Soya milk, one heaped table spoon of the frozen fruits, and one banana), and REPLACE ALL YOUR MEALS with three shakes. One for breakfast, lunch, dinner and eat fruit (apples, bananas, etc) in between. Eat nothing else! Drink LOTS of water. A minimum of two liters a day. In 10 days, you won't recognize yourself and you WILL NOT have comprised your health either.

If you can't find a distributor in your area, let me know. I'm not in the UK at the moment (I've relocated to the Sun) but I'll make a few phone calls for you.

Catch you later

pras1011

Thanks.

I am actually looking to drop 5kgs of fat. So I will give this ago.
But do you think I should try and loose the fat first before bulking up or just continue bulking up?

tojona

Workout! That's the operative word here... to complement your new diet. Don't stop whatever you're doing in the gym. Just STOP eating what you're eating now, and use the NEW nutritional program I've just given you. DON'T eat anything else! Don't even be tempted. You won't die. This meal-in-a-box plus the vitamin & mineral back-up I have suggested are packed with the BEST nutrition money can buy. They're ALL YOU NEED. For now. You will reintroduce normal food later.

pras1011

I am now 15.7% fat according to two electronic scales.

tojona: the herbalife stuff was far too expensive.

I have read that the less fat you have the easier it is to gain and lose muscle.

Is this correct?

I think I have lost some muscle mass through my cardio only, 1 hour per day sessions! Is there a way to reduce the muscle loss?

tojona

Here's how to work out whether Herbalife is expensive or not: How much do you spend on your bulking up meals a day? Now take away that cost, and replace it with the cost of Herbalife and you'll have your cost factor give or take. Long hours of cardio do contribute to muscle loss. You only need to look at long-distance runners' physiques and compare that with the other dudes that run short distances and have GREAT bods.

Slamdog

i used herbalife in the past.... nothing proper food didn't do at half the cost...

definitely drop the hummus... it is pretty bad macro wise which is a shame cos i love it myself....

wogihao

**** off no way is substuteing all your meals for fruit smoothies healthy. Thats the most mentaly retarded diet plan I read in a while. All it will do is give him a bad case of the ****s. You need a balanced meal plan not some celebrity diet. Why are you pimping that ****ty magic beans at the start as well? do you work for them?

Slamdog

don't know about now but the old herbalife pills were mainly guar gum...

it cost a lot back then too....

wogihao

Also assuming the poster is not a frutarian, whats going to hapen after he has shat out 5kg of weight? when he goes back to his normal eating plan he will just rebound and gain even more weight.

Consider also the terible vitamin & mineral deficency issues that come with a fruit only diet it just staggers me anyone would recomend this as a healthy alternative.

pras1011

Is there a way to save my current muscle mass while i do all this cardio?

the cardio is: 30 mins of interval training (2 minute walk, then 1 minute run and alternate between the two) then the other 30 mins, I walk at 65% intensity.

Slamdog

yes.. lift heavy weights....

tojona

Well pras1011, I was only trying to help. All I did was recommend what worked for me, and HOW I did it. The decision, ultimately, is yours. All the best with your weight-loss-muscle-gain efforts. I'm sure you will succeed. I'm sure there are a lot of guys here getting results doing other stuff. I'm sure they can help you. Nice talking to you.

pras1011

Heres an update.

I am about 16% fat. I have lost about 2 inches around my belly. The scales are telling me that I have lost 3 kilos of muscle mass since I started all this cardio only workout. This is my last week of cardio.
Next week I will be be starting a Rippetoe workout on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and rest Saturday and Sunday.
I will eat 4 x a day and attempt to consume 250 grams of protein and 250 grams of carbs. I think I put on fat really easily therefore on Tuesday and thursday I will do 1 hour of walking cardio at 65% heart rate.

1) What do you people think of this new plan?
2) Is it possible to loss fat and gain muscle at the same time?
3) Any other advice?


thanks

Gains

Exactly. This is why "diets" don't work- they're only temporary. If you want long-term lasting results, you have to make a lifestyle change. I'd imagine that living on fruit and Herbalife you'll be severely deficcient in both protein and overall calories, which will result in muscle wastage and a trashed metabolism.

If you want to lose fat but hang onto your lean mass, create a calorie deficit through a combination of diet and exercise. If you calculate your resting metabolic rate to determine the absolute minimum calories you need, then multiply it by your activity factor (I don't have the numbers to hand or I'd post them up), then knock no more than about 20% off. Any more and you run the risk of tripping your body's starvation response, which promotes fat storage, inhibits fat loss and also promotes muscle wastage through gluconeogenosis. Also make sure that your nutrient ratios are correct- I'd start with something like 35-45-20 for carbs, protein and fats (ONLY good, natural, unsaturated fats) as a base line and see how you get on.
Add in daily cardio (30 - 40 mins) and weights, and the fat will melt off without much loss* of lean mass, as long as you maintain adequate protein intake.

*If you're careful you may not lose any at all apart from a few pounds of water weight.

irwit

Does somebody work for herbalife ???

Your current diet includes basically no good fats, it kind of looks like a bloat diet not a bulk diet ? Not a dig, jmo. swap some of your carb calories with good fats, actually switch alot. Plenty of fish !!!