whey before early morning cardio - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

krazy · 29-12-2006, 04:20 PM

Hi,

In order to kick off my cutting phase I'm going to start early morning cardio. While I understand the benefits of this during a fasted state (low glycogen levels, etc) I was wondering if adding a shake would be detrimental to this process. It would be 30g wpc 80 (or thereabouts) in water. Would this increase glycogen levels too much, thus negating the positive effects of exercising in a fasted state? I have seen people take 10g L-glutamine or some type of BCAA when they wake up, is this the only route to go down if you want to limit muscle loss but keep the fat burning high? I would also be taking an ECA stack. Oh, and I've also heard of waiting 45 minutes after the workout to have the first meal. Is this needed? If so, would a no-carb supplement like whey kill the benefits? I'm sure i could have worded better, hope that makes sense.

Here's an example:

6:30am: wake
ECA (with Yomhimbe)
30G protein in water (or other recommendations)
6:45am: light to moderate cardio (~65% max heart rate) 45 minutes

7:00am: breakfast
30g whey
oats
berries

Thanks!

chrisj22 · 29-12-2006, 04:36 PM

IMO i would do cardio on an empty stomach. The most knowledgable guys on this forum always state on an empty stomach.

However; I am sure a handful on amino acids with a small amount of water wouldn't kill you.

Bump for Pscarb, TT, Ninepack, hacks etc etc...

chrisj22 · 29-12-2006, 04:37 PM

Also, I personally wait 30 mins after morning cardio for breakfast. Oats with a shake, or eggs is superb after cardio.

SportDr · 29-12-2006, 05:53 PM

Exercising on an empty stomach will maximise your results, as would waiting 30 mins post exercise as this is when you are in your EPOC stage of increased metabolism.

Food introduced at this time may inhibit results, but for anti catabolism. some glutamine would be useful first thing 5-10g.

Why do you want to consume whey before your cardio?

SD

DB · 29-12-2006, 05:55 PM

when i dieted i did my cardio like:

7 am 100ml orange juice with 5g creatine 10g glutamine, ECY stack

7:10 45 mins cardio at 140bpm

8:15 100g oats 8 egg white 2 yokes 40g whey...

i wouldnt have whey mate as protien can be used for energy... 100ml of orange juice is enough to wake u up and only contains a handfull of carbs.. which when in a depleted state does fuk all to hinder fat loss imo and keeps u sane!!

krazy · 29-12-2006, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportDr

Why do you want to consume whey before your cardio?

SD

Because of the anti-catabolic effects. I assumed it would be ingested rapidly to feed hungry muscles after 12 hours with no food, but not really hinder the fat burning process since it went to muscle replenishment rather than an energy source.

Might be splitting hairs at this point. I'm leaning towards some L-glute to be safe.

Cheers!

**Nytol** · 29-12-2006, 08:57 PM

I read a study a few years back which compared fat loss in those who took whey protein in water (about 20g I think), and those who took nothing, 1st thing in the morning, and the whey group lost more fat.

I have no idea where it is now, but if you search the net you may find it.

I personally would take 30g of whey in water before cardio.

29-12-2006, 04:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
krazy Newbie Trainer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: east yorkshire Posts: 3	whey before early morning cardio Hi, In order to kick off my cutting phase I'm going to start early morning cardio. While I understand the benefits of this during a fasted state (low glycogen levels, etc) I was wondering if adding a shake would be detrimental to this process. It would be 30g wpc 80 (or thereabouts) in water. Would this increase glycogen levels too much, thus negating the positive effects of exercising in a fasted state? I have seen people take 10g L-glutamine or some type of BCAA when they wake up, is this the only route to go down if you want to limit muscle loss but keep the fat burning high? I would also be taking an ECA stack. Oh, and I've also heard of waiting 45 minutes after the workout to have the first meal. Is this needed? If so, would a no-carb supplement like whey kill the benefits? I'm sure i could have worded better, hope that makes sense. Here's an example: 6:30am: wake ECA (with Yomhimbe) 30G protein in water (or other recommendations) 6:45am: light to moderate cardio (~65% max heart rate) 45 minutes 7:00am: breakfast 30g whey oats berries Thanks!

29-12-2006, 04:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
chrisj22 An absolute fat bastard Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: T'up North Posts: 3,331	Re: whey before early morning cardio IMO i would do cardio on an empty stomach. The most knowledgable guys on this forum always state on an empty stomach. However; I am sure a handful on amino acids with a small amount of water wouldn't kill you. Bump for Pscarb, TT, Ninepack, hacks etc etc...

29-12-2006, 04:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
chrisj22 An absolute fat bastard Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: T'up North Posts: 3,331	Re: whey before early morning cardio Also, I personally wait 30 mins after morning cardio for breakfast. Oats with a shake, or eggs is superb after cardio.

29-12-2006, 05:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
SportDr Getting HUGE! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: E-Sussex UK Posts: 2,863	Re: whey before early morning cardio Exercising on an empty stomach will maximise your results, as would waiting 30 mins post exercise as this is when you are in your EPOC stage of increased metabolism. Food introduced at this time may inhibit results, but for anti catabolism. some glutamine would be useful first thing 5-10g. Why do you want to consume whey before your cardio? SD __________________ I don't like Sports and I am not a Doctor! All information given is to be followed at the users risk and is for informational purposes only. My protein code: ?? Dunno was deleted? BSD Code: ?? Dunno was deleted too??

29-12-2006, 05:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,762	Re: whey before early morning cardio when i dieted i did my cardio like: 7 am 100ml orange juice with 5g creatine 10g glutamine, ECY stack 7:10 45 mins cardio at 140bpm 8:15 100g oats 8 egg white 2 yokes 40g whey... i wouldnt have whey mate as protien can be used for energy... 100ml of orange juice is enough to wake u up and only contains a handfull of carbs.. which when in a depleted state does fuk all to hinder fat loss imo and keeps u sane!! __________________ Affiliate of Bulk Supplements Direct Discount Code= BSD290 UKBFF southcoast 2008, O80kg Champion

29-12-2006, 08:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Nytol All Knowing Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 4,384	Re: whey before early morning cardio I read a study a few years back which compared fat loss in those who took whey protein in water (about 20g I think), and those who took nothing, 1st thing in the morning, and the whey group lost more fat. I have no idea where it is now, but if you search the net you may find it. I personally would take 30g of whey in water before cardio.

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