how to drop excess water? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

andyparry123 · 13-04-2006, 11:35 PM

Any words of advice on how to keep the amount of water the body holds down?

my TBW is usually around the 50% range and this seems a lot to me though it could just as well as be fine as i have no idea!

**Jimmy** · 14-04-2006, 09:27 AM

vit c
glycerol
cellery seeds....or blended cellery in water (1 buch a day, drink the water 3 times a day without the sedement)

the best way to lose water is to drasticly reduce carbs and take fats instead

**Aftershock** · 14-04-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy

the best way to lose water is to drasticly reduce carbs and take fats instead

I agree 100%. It takes over 4g of water for your body to process each gram of carbs you eat so reducting carb will have a marked effect on the amount of water you hold.

Ever thought why people lose som much weight on the atkins diet initialy? Cause they dont eat carbs and the water falls off!!!

As Jimmy says remember to increase the good fats as bodybuilders we still want em cals to grow

andyparry123 · 14-04-2006, 10:19 PM

would you say then that if the current regime of lower carbs and cardio doesnt get the results i want for my holiday then 2 weeks of atkins would work? should really be ok but just want that "beach bod" to feel good about all the training i have done over the past 12 months.

**Aftershock** · 15-04-2006, 01:57 PM

How long before you go away and how much you looking to lose?

andyparry123 · 15-04-2006, 09:23 PM

doing the math then probably about 14lbs to get to about 10% bf, though flat with no love handles would do. 14lbs of fat is probably unrealistic though as i know some muscle will be sacrificed! It is 6 weeks till i go away, what would you say is the best plan of attack? cheers.

**Jimmy** · 15-04-2006, 10:20 PM

are we talking about water or fat here?

water is easy to control..

yes 14lbs is do-able, even 20lbs could be done, but it takes alot of work...you prepared to put in the graft??

andyparry123 · 16-04-2006, 12:00 AM

Hold my hand up? It is fat mate BF is 23% at the moment. Have concentrated on bulking for the past 12 months and it shows! though i do seem to hold water.
As far as putting in the effort then yes i am prepared to do anything.
Watching my carb intake at the moment and cycling 15 miles 5 times a week on top of my weight training, have just started taking ECA, any other advice would be appreciated.

**Jimmy** · 16-04-2006, 03:06 PM

well post your diet up in the losing weight section and we can have a look

andyparry123 · 17-04-2006, 10:32 PM

My diet:

7am: protein shake (60g) with water, 100ml orange juice with 5g CEE

8.30am PWO shake with 5g BCAA

10am big bowl of oats or museli, sometimes some toast or crumpets if hungry.

1pm 200g steak/chicken/tuna with salad or rice

3pm Tin of tuna

6pm same as 1pm though usually with more carbs (family meal, oven chips/pasta/rice)

10pm protein shake.

I know that according to studies that the body supposedly cannot process more than 2g of protein per pound of body weight and not more than 50-60g at one time, but would upping the amount I use in my shakes help sustain muscle as I lose fat?

Also if I where to have a crack at the atkins for a month would this be uber detrimental and are protein shakes ok with it? (only i did the atkins for 2 weeks about a year ago and dropped 12lbs but i was weak as a kitten and did not have the same amount of muscle to lose!).

happy haggis · 17-04-2006, 11:56 PM

if you are drinking enough water you shouldnt be holding it.

if i feel im holding water i up my water and take more vit c and it comes off.

Fitchick · 18-04-2006, 03:16 PM

Is it true that the last week before a show, body builders have been known to marinate their chicken, salmon and steak in this to help them shed water?

The stuff stinks so how anyone could do this i have no idea! Holland and Barrett do it in a tablet form. Hope this might help Please blast me if im wrong peeps! :gun:

**hackskii** · 18-04-2006, 06:28 PM

If you up your water intake you will hold less water.

I notice if I get a good portion of water down me early I urinate the whole day.

Keto diets will hold less water, the figure is .5g for fats compared to 3. g of carbs so fats will hold six times less water than carbs.

I would eat a protein and fat and carb with each meal.
If you want to your last 2 meals can be just protein and fat and no carbs.

carbs can be taken in early in the morning with less chance of spiking blood sugars and immediatly followin a workout with same effect.

So if you ate carbs/fats/proteins in the first half of the day and just protein and fats the last you will lose.

Keto diets work good for me but I do get bloated on carbs, apples, tomatos, asparatus, green beens, strawberries all agree with me and I get zero bloat from them and also they are super low in the GI.

You can always add some fish oils or olive oil to slow down the spiking of the blood sugars.

I would shoot for about 2 lbs a week, any more than that (besides water) will be muscle loss.

**Jimmy** · 18-04-2006, 08:57 PM

ok

i feel if the above diet is all your eating then you shouldnt be holding so much fat

are you snacking and taking alcohol as well?

all the same, the diet needs to change as its not quite right, although you got the right idea

PWO
50g weigh in water

wait 30mins-1hour, then...

meal 1
50g dry weight oats (not museli)
3 whole eggs...not fried
banana

meal 2
tin tuna
med jaket potato
salad
tbsp olive oil
1 friut

meal 3
chick breast
2-3 rice cakes
veg
tbsp oil

meal 4
repeat meal 2 without the potato (switch to chicken if you wish)

meal 5
200g lean mince or steak
veg
tbsp oil

andyparry123 · 18-04-2006, 10:08 PM

cheers for the advice lads, will keep you informed on my progress.

looking at it i really dont drink enough water so will try to up this and lower carb intake after midday (including the stella!).

13-04-2006, 11:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
andyparry123 Pagga Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: royal huyton on sea Posts: 299	how to drop excess water? Any words of advice on how to keep the amount of water the body holds down? my TBW is usually around the 50% range and this seems a lot to me though it could just as well as be fine as i have no idea! __________________ I pity the fool who try to beat me! I cant and I wont be beat sucker!

14-04-2006, 09:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jimmy UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Forest gym crawley Posts: 4,350	vit c glycerol cellery seeds....or blended cellery in water (1 buch a day, drink the water 3 times a day without the sedement) the best way to lose water is to drasticly reduce carbs and take fats instead __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* 'Genetics is the science of heredity and variation in living organisms. Inheritance in organisms occurs by means of discrete traits, called genes.'

14-04-2006, 10:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
andyparry123 Pagga Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: royal huyton on sea Posts: 299	would you say then that if the current regime of lower carbs and cardio doesnt get the results i want for my holiday then 2 weeks of atkins would work? should really be ok but just want that "beach bod" to feel good about all the training i have done over the past 12 months. __________________ I pity the fool who try to beat me! I cant and I wont be beat sucker!

15-04-2006, 01:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
Aftershock UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,932	How long before you go away and how much you looking to lose? __________________ "You are what you eat you can't possibly be anything else" or put another way "eat sht look like sht!!" Aftershock

15-04-2006, 09:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
andyparry123 Pagga Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: royal huyton on sea Posts: 299	doing the math then probably about 14lbs to get to about 10% bf, though flat with no love handles would do. 14lbs of fat is probably unrealistic though as i know some muscle will be sacrificed! It is 6 weeks till i go away, what would you say is the best plan of attack? cheers. __________________ I pity the fool who try to beat me! I cant and I wont be beat sucker!

15-04-2006, 10:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jimmy UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Forest gym crawley Posts: 4,350	are we talking about water or fat here? water is easy to control.. yes 14lbs is do-able, even 20lbs could be done, but it takes alot of work...you prepared to put in the graft?? __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* 'Genetics is the science of heredity and variation in living organisms. Inheritance in organisms occurs by means of discrete traits, called genes.'

16-04-2006, 12:00 AM	#8 (permalink)
andyparry123 Pagga Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: royal huyton on sea Posts: 299	Hold my hand up? It is fat mate BF is 23% at the moment. Have concentrated on bulking for the past 12 months and it shows! though i do seem to hold water. As far as putting in the effort then yes i am prepared to do anything. Watching my carb intake at the moment and cycling 15 miles 5 times a week on top of my weight training, have just started taking ECA, any other advice would be appreciated. __________________ I pity the fool who try to beat me! I cant and I wont be beat sucker!

16-04-2006, 03:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jimmy UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Forest gym crawley Posts: 4,350	well post your diet up in the losing weight section and we can have a look __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* 'Genetics is the science of heredity and variation in living organisms. Inheritance in organisms occurs by means of discrete traits, called genes.'

17-04-2006, 10:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
andyparry123 Pagga Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: royal huyton on sea Posts: 299	FAO Jimmy,aftershock & any other good souls My diet: 7am: protein shake (60g) with water, 100ml orange juice with 5g CEE 8.30am PWO shake with 5g BCAA 10am big bowl of oats or museli, sometimes some toast or crumpets if hungry. 1pm 200g steak/chicken/tuna with salad or rice 3pm Tin of tuna 6pm same as 1pm though usually with more carbs (family meal, oven chips/pasta/rice) 10pm protein shake. I know that according to studies that the body supposedly cannot process more than 2g of protein per pound of body weight and not more than 50-60g at one time, but would upping the amount I use in my shakes help sustain muscle as I lose fat? Also if I where to have a crack at the atkins for a month would this be uber detrimental and are protein shakes ok with it? (only i did the atkins for 2 weeks about a year ago and dropped 12lbs but i was weak as a kitten and did not have the same amount of muscle to lose!). __________________ I pity the fool who try to beat me! I cant and I wont be beat sucker!

17-04-2006, 11:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
happy haggis ripped glutes Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ayrshire west of scotland Posts: 90	if you are drinking enough water you shouldnt be holding it. if i feel im holding water i up my water and take more vit c and it comes off. __________________ MY BOARD To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

18-04-2006, 03:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Fitchick Abi Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 114	Cider Vinegar Is it true that the last week before a show, body builders have been known to marinate their chicken, salmon and steak in this to help them shed water? The stuff stinks so how anyone could do this i have no idea! Holland and Barrett do it in a tablet form. Hope this might help Please blast me if im wrong peeps! :gun:

18-04-2006, 06:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,150	If you up your water intake you will hold less water. I notice if I get a good portion of water down me early I urinate the whole day. Keto diets will hold less water, the figure is .5g for fats compared to 3. g of carbs so fats will hold six times less water than carbs. I would eat a protein and fat and carb with each meal. If you want to your last 2 meals can be just protein and fat and no carbs. carbs can be taken in early in the morning with less chance of spiking blood sugars and immediatly followin a workout with same effect. So if you ate carbs/fats/proteins in the first half of the day and just protein and fats the last you will lose. Keto diets work good for me but I do get bloated on carbs, apples, tomatos, asparatus, green beens, strawberries all agree with me and I get zero bloat from them and also they are super low in the GI. You can always add some fish oils or olive oil to slow down the spiking of the blood sugars. I would shoot for about 2 lbs a week, any more than that (besides water) will be muscle loss. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

18-04-2006, 08:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jimmy UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Forest gym crawley Posts: 4,350	ok i feel if the above diet is all your eating then you shouldnt be holding so much fat are you snacking and taking alcohol as well? all the same, the diet needs to change as its not quite right, although you got the right idea PWO 50g weigh in water wait 30mins-1hour, then... meal 1 50g dry weight oats (not museli) 3 whole eggs...not fried banana meal 2 tin tuna med jaket potato salad tbsp olive oil 1 friut meal 3 chick breast 2-3 rice cakes veg tbsp oil meal 4 repeat meal 2 without the potato (switch to chicken if you wish) meal 5 200g lean mince or steak veg tbsp oil __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* 'Genetics is the science of heredity and variation in living organisms. Inheritance in organisms occurs by means of discrete traits, called genes.'

18-04-2006, 10:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
andyparry123 Pagga Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: royal huyton on sea Posts: 299	cheers for the advice lads, will keep you informed on my progress. looking at it i really dont drink enough water so will try to up this and lower carb intake after midday (including the stella!). __________________ I pity the fool who try to beat me! I cant and I wont be beat sucker!