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winger · 04-03-2007, 04:02 AM

I agree with hackinspank.
You are in ketosis because of lack of carbs. Not calories but carbs and carbs only. Course shagging is always good, but not for ketosis.

I also would not carb cycle as of yet. You just now got your body into the ultimate fat burn state so why comprimise that?
Do the low carb (not exceding 20 grams of carbs) diet for 14 days and tell me how much weight you lost.
You should be around 10-14 lbs.
Some people feel slugish or tired. I feel on top of the world. We are all different.
Ask your bird how the gizz tastes when you are in ketosis. Oopsie, that is a DB question. My bad.

SportDr · 04-03-2007, 02:38 PM

Thanks guys,

Read your posts a little late as I started re-feed on Friday evening after training. As all my training is at the weekend, I have my PWO refeeds at a time when I am refeeding anyway, so only 2 1/2 carb days per week. My workouts were amazing though, good pumps and more defintion, the missus even spotted it straight away. My biceps more defined and so are my traps, loving this diet!

Other thing was, I am seriously stronger than before, odd as I am at the **** end of a Test E & Prop cycle, using prop only e3d. Was the best workout I had in a long time.

I did as PsCarbs article said, 90g simple carbs (dextrose & WMS) with 2 scoops 60g of whey Isolate, straight after training. I have got to cap some more CEE, I am sure that would have made it even better!!

SD

pyrowill · 20-05-2007, 05:03 PM

Hi Guys,

Thinking about trying this diet to see what it's like, I did Atkins ages ago for 2 weeks and lost quite a bit, gave up though since it didn't seem to be a long term option. Has anyone had any experiences of finishing this regime and finding the results disappear quickly? I'm currently 15st10 and would like to be 13st.

Thanks

Return2Glory · 26-05-2007, 12:03 PM

Hi, excellent read. Diet is definately where I have massive room for improvement.

Can anyone recommend some receipes for this where you get the minimum 40% fat?? Struggling to work out where to get the fat from appart from fish.

pecdecmike · 27-05-2007, 01:27 AM

Guys... I am running at 23%BF (yeah...high!) as a result of my 1 year long bulking diet.... my gains have almost stopped so change to routine and perhaps increased cals needed... but fundamentally, if I switch to either

1. timed carbs or
2. (more manageable) 'no carbs after 1pm' (although I will have carbs in my PWO shake in evening - is this allowed?)

Will I still gain strength and size while redicing bodyfat?

Or should I ditch the reduced carbs options and go back to increasing cals and training more intensely, but adding cardio in (I havent doen lo-intensity or other cardio for over a year now... notime!)

I want to gain lean muscle and strength, but also reduce BF - I have read elsewhere on the board that this IS theoretically possible, but in practice difficult as I also have a job!

Apologies for straying off topic!

**hackskii** · 27-05-2007, 08:38 PM

Yes you can lose bodyfat and gain muscle at the same time, but remember if you do too much aggressive dieting you will lose more lean muscle mass.

The idea behind the carb cycling is taking advantage of being insulin sensitive post workout.
John Berardi(sp) suggested that half the amount of your daily supply of protein can be taken PWO.
Now, I am not so sure I believe that entirely but I get the principle and understanding of such.

I found very good results with at the least the last meal or two were fats and protein and I found this effective for fat loss.

Carbs first thing and PWO are good.

Rob Faigan has a fantastic book out on this, very well written.

johnny813 · 20-10-2007, 04:18 PM

Do you think it would be possible for somebody who has been on a timed carb diet to post there full diet up? I struggle to see how id eat anywhere near enough cals without oats rice pasta or potatoes thanx alot

Captain Hero · 01-11-2007, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Well, day 3 might be a tad bit early to get into full ketosis.

That and some times, to get into ketosis you need more fat.
I think if you upped the fat and lowered the protein you will get into ketosis faster.

I also hear MCT oil will toss you into ketosis almost immediatly as this is a prefered fat for fuel.
Try dropping the protein some and making up the diffrence in MCT oil (coconut oil).

What is an MCT oil Scott?

**hackskii** · 02-11-2007, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cap

What is an MCT oil Scott?

Medium Chain Triglyceride

PIP13 · 15-03-2008, 11:48 PM

Hi please check out my diet an excercise and any advice would be welcome to help me start body building.

**Pscarb** · 16-03-2008, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PIP13

Hi please check out my diet an excercise and any advice would be welcome to help me start body building.

pip please dont flood lots of threads asking for guys to look at your diet thread many will look and give their thoughts in time

musio · 18-03-2008, 06:13 PM

2 years old but a brilliant sticky.

Wanted to ask has anyone got any examples of non-carb day diets/food lists to follow? It seems hard creating a non-carb few days and surviving..

**Pscarb** · 19-03-2008, 11:52 AM

in my opinion you should not totally avoid carbs you should still have veg...this is one of the carb free days i use..

Meal 1
6 whole omega eggs + 50g Kol Les cheese
Meal 2
2 scoops protein drink + 50g Peanut butter
Meal 3:
250g extra lean mince made into 2 burgers or meatballs + veg
Meal 4:
2 scoops protein drink + 50g Peanut butter
Meal 5:PWO
2 scoops whey protein
Meal 6:
250g Salmon + Veg

Tall · 19-03-2008, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

in my opinion you should not totally avoid carbs you should still have veg...this is one of the carb free days i use..

Agreed. Green Fibrous veg shouldn't be counted towards your carb intake.

**hackskii** · 19-03-2008, 04:15 PM

High fiber vegetables take alot of energy to break them down.
Kind of like dieting and being able to eat at the same time.

04-03-2007, 04:02 AM	#46 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,402 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Timed Carbs I agree with hackinspank. You are in ketosis because of lack of carbs. Not calories but carbs and carbs only. Course shagging is always good, but not for ketosis. I also would not carb cycle as of yet. You just now got your body into the ultimate fat burn state so why comprimise that? Do the low carb (not exceding 20 grams of carbs) diet for 14 days and tell me how much weight you lost. You should be around 10-14 lbs. Some people feel slugish or tired. I feel on top of the world. We are all different. Ask your bird how the gizz tastes when you are in ketosis. Oopsie, that is a DB question. My bad.

04-03-2007, 02:38 PM	#47 (permalink)
SportDr Getting HUGE! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: E-Sussex UK Posts: 2,863	Re: Timed Carbs Thanks guys, Read your posts a little late as I started re-feed on Friday evening after training. As all my training is at the weekend, I have my PWO refeeds at a time when I am refeeding anyway, so only 2 1/2 carb days per week. My workouts were amazing though, good pumps and more defintion, the missus even spotted it straight away. My biceps more defined and so are my traps, loving this diet! Other thing was, I am seriously stronger than before, odd as I am at the **** end of a Test E & Prop cycle, using prop only e3d. Was the best workout I had in a long time. I did as PsCarbs article said, 90g simple carbs (dextrose & WMS) with 2 scoops 60g of whey Isolate, straight after training. I have got to cap some more CEE, I am sure that would have made it even better!! SD __________________ I don't like Sports and I am not a Doctor! All information given is to be followed at the users risk and is for informational purposes only. My protein code: ?? Dunno was deleted? BSD Code: ?? Dunno was deleted too??

20-05-2007, 05:03 PM	#48 (permalink)
pyrowill Gym Addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: Staines Posts: 131	Re: Timed Carbs Hi Guys, Thinking about trying this diet to see what it's like, I did Atkins ages ago for 2 weeks and lost quite a bit, gave up though since it didn't seem to be a long term option. Has anyone had any experiences of finishing this regime and finding the results disappear quickly? I'm currently 15st10 and would like to be 13st. Thanks

26-05-2007, 12:03 PM	#49 (permalink)
Return2Glory Newbie Trainer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 37	Re: Timed Carbs Hi, excellent read. Diet is definately where I have massive room for improvement. Can anyone recommend some receipes for this where you get the minimum 40% fat?? Struggling to work out where to get the fat from appart from fish.

27-05-2007, 01:27 AM	#50 (permalink)
pecdecmike Newbie Trainer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 22	Re: Timed Carbs Guys... I am running at 23%BF (yeah...high!) as a result of my 1 year long bulking diet.... my gains have almost stopped so change to routine and perhaps increased cals needed... but fundamentally, if I switch to either 1. timed carbs or 2. (more manageable) 'no carbs after 1pm' (although I will have carbs in my PWO shake in evening - is this allowed?) Will I still gain strength and size while redicing bodyfat? Or should I ditch the reduced carbs options and go back to increasing cals and training more intensely, but adding cardio in (I havent doen lo-intensity or other cardio for over a year now... notime!) I want to gain lean muscle and strength, but also reduce BF - I have read elsewhere on the board that this IS theoretically possible, but in practice difficult as I also have a job! Apologies for straying off topic!

27-05-2007, 08:38 PM	#51 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Re: Timed Carbs Yes you can lose bodyfat and gain muscle at the same time, but remember if you do too much aggressive dieting you will lose more lean muscle mass. The idea behind the carb cycling is taking advantage of being insulin sensitive post workout. John Berardi(sp) suggested that half the amount of your daily supply of protein can be taken PWO. Now, I am not so sure I believe that entirely but I get the principle and understanding of such. I found very good results with at the least the last meal or two were fats and protein and I found this effective for fat loss. Carbs first thing and PWO are good. Rob Faigan has a fantastic book out on this, very well written.

20-10-2007, 04:18 PM	#52 (permalink)
johnny813 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4	Re: Timed Carbs Do you think it would be possible for somebody who has been on a timed carb diet to post there full diet up? I struggle to see how id eat anywhere near enough cals without oats rice pasta or potatoes thanx alot

15-03-2008, 11:48 PM	#55 (permalink)
PIP13 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: LIVERPOOL Posts: 15	Re: Timed Carbs Hi please check out my diet an excercise and any advice would be welcome to help me start body building.

18-03-2008, 06:13 PM	#57 (permalink)
musio Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: UK Posts: 94	Re: Timed Carbs 2 years old but a brilliant sticky. Wanted to ask has anyone got any examples of non-carb day diets/food lists to follow? It seems hard creating a non-carb few days and surviving..

19-03-2008, 11:52 AM	#58 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,963	Re: Timed Carbs in my opinion you should not totally avoid carbs you should still have veg...this is one of the carb free days i use.. Meal 1 6 whole omega eggs + 50g Kol Les cheese Meal 2 2 scoops protein drink + 50g Peanut butter Meal 3: 250g extra lean mince made into 2 burgers or meatballs + veg Meal 4: 2 scoops protein drink + 50g Peanut butter Meal 5:PWO 2 scoops whey protein Meal 6: 250g Salmon + Veg

19-03-2008, 04:15 PM	#60 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Re: Timed Carbs High fiber vegetables take alot of energy to break them down. Kind of like dieting and being able to eat at the same time.