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TERESKAN · 18-02-2007, 02:21 PM

im very intrested in the timed carb approach to dieting and would like to find some more info on it, below is a little info on me:
Age:25
height: 6'
weight 290
bf: getting done on tuesday( waist is 38)
max squat: 200k for 6
max deadlift: 220k for 6
max bench: 170k for 5

current cycle
1-6 60mg anavar ED
1-10 500mg tren E
1-15 1000mg EQ
1-16 800mg test e

im currently on week 13

been running 500iu hcg on mondays and thursdays.

during PCT im going to run DNP @200mg for up to 30 days running 5on 2off maybe bump to 300mg depending on how i react to it.

I want to start a cutting diet to bring my body fat down to sub 10% i should imagine i could loose a good 50lb to get me to this stage and have a good 5 months to achieve this goal.
Any info and help on achieving this would be greatly apprishiated

Jock · 18-02-2007, 09:59 PM

I would hold off cutting for a while mate, your test levels will be low after a fairly heavy cycle and jumpin straigh into a cut could compromise some of the muscle you've gained.

I'm studying up on timed carb diets too with a view to doing one very soon, as I understand it, it involves around 4 low carb dieting days 2 medium carb days and one high or refeed day, zig-zagging your carb intake is a good way of foolong your metabolism into speeding up. Just remember on low carb days you need to replace the lack of calories from carbs with 'good' fats and keep your protein intake at arounf 1.5g per lb opf your bodyweight.

You have some impressive lifts and stats mate, I'm sure with some hard work and dedication you would look awesome.

Jock

TERESKAN · 18-02-2007, 11:06 PM

Im gonna give it a few weeks before i start messing with my diet, hopefully the dnp will shift a lot of the fat whilst im running my pct. Most people have reposted losses of anything up to 20lb in a month and also i will hopefully find out more about the anabolic rebound effect that is talked about with dnp

Jock · 18-02-2007, 11:56 PM

DNP is very very dangerous stuff mate, be very careful using it, a guy from elitefitness died while on this stuff. Make sure you are fully read up on this med knowledge may well be your guardian.

A good diet is the foundation of any successful cut IMO.

Best of luck,
Jock

TERESKAN · 19-02-2007, 07:35 PM

I have a lot of info on the usage of dnp and intend of starting on a low dose of 200mg ed and following the usage protocol to the T. prob gonna take a week of work so my body can adjust to it.

**hackskii** · 19-02-2007, 09:32 PM

Some guys feel like death on DNP, others not so bad.

TERESKAN · 20-02-2007, 08:33 PM

finally got weighed in:

height 6' 185cm
weight 287lb 130kg
body fat: 23.5%
LBM: 219.5 lb 100kg

want to get down to 8% body fat so nead to hit 242lb.,

winger · 21-02-2007, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TERESKAN

finally got weighed in:

height 6' 185cm
weight 287lb 130kg
body fat: 23.5%
LBM: 219.5 lb 100kg

want to get down to 8% body fat so nead to hit 242lb.,

Those are some pretty impressive stats mate! ;)

TERESKAN · 21-02-2007, 03:37 PM

slowly getting their, would be good in the next year to add a extra 10lb-20lb lbm. looking forward to seeing what it looks like under the lard.

**hackskii** · 21-02-2007, 03:59 PM

But you are carying alot of muscle there.

TERESKAN · 21-02-2007, 08:30 PM

im carying some but in my eyes it still doesn't feel like enough. im half dreading cutting down to 240 and feeling/looking small!

**hackskii** · 21-02-2007, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TERESKAN

im carying some but in my eyes it still doesn't feel like enough. im half dreading cutting down to 240 and feeling/looking small!

I dont know of any 240 pounder looking small, unless you were 8 feet tall.

SportDr · 28-02-2007, 08:31 PM

So back on topic.....

Been trying this Timed carb diet this week and so far so good!

First impressions are that I like low carb food more than I thought I would and I am re-discovering the joy of cheese

only occasionally as a treat of course.

I am on day three now and have really noticed an odd taste in my mouth all day and I think I had ketone breath earlier as I could smell it whilst wearing my motorcycle helmet. Checked my urine and there was only trace ketones if any at all though :confused: ??

Another thing I have noticed is that I need to pee more and that my sh1t is less porridge and more grenade

I am sticking to 4000 cals per day in 6 meals of around 666cals (bad omen) with no more than 8g of carbs, mainly from green veg, and at least 40% fat in each meal from EFA's. I rack up a huge amount of protein in each day 500+ grammes

, so I hope I don't de-calcify my whole body, just in case I am taking a calcium supplement even if research shows it doesn't do jack.

Question is, to actually lose body fat I need to reduce cals right? otherwise all I am burning is ingested fat?

Surely I should be ketoned to the max by now also? I won't be re-feeding till the weekend so I have a couple more days to deplete any carbs.

I would like to hear from anyone else who is trying this, Jock have you started it yet?

Regards

SD

**hackskii** · 28-02-2007, 09:22 PM

Well, day 3 might be a tad bit early to get into full ketosis.

That and some times, to get into ketosis you need more fat.
I think if you upped the fat and lowered the protein you will get into ketosis faster.

I also hear MCT oil will toss you into ketosis almost immediatly as this is a prefered fat for fuel.
Try dropping the protein some and making up the diffrence in MCT oil (coconut oil).

winger · 01-03-2007, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Well, day 3 might be a tad bit early to get into full ketosis.

That and some times, to get into ketosis you need more fat.
I think if you upped the fat and lowered the protein you will get into ketosis faster.

I also hear MCT oil will toss you into ketosis almost immediatly as this is a prefered fat for fuel.
Try dropping the protein some and making up the diffrence in MCT oil (coconut oil).

There is your answer and nice post hackskii.
In the Atkins book it actually says if you cant get into ketosis then up the fats. In the book it allows for 20 grams of carbs (in the induction phase). So if you are not in ketosis (under the 20 grams of carbs) you have to up the fats.
I do believe calories in equals calories out, but for 25% of the people that might not jive sucka!

18-02-2007, 02:21 PM	#16 (permalink)
TERESKAN Newbie Trainer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 22	Re: Timed Carbs im very intrested in the timed carb approach to dieting and would like to find some more info on it, below is a little info on me: Age:25 height: 6' weight 290 bf: getting done on tuesday( waist is 38) max squat: 200k for 6 max deadlift: 220k for 6 max bench: 170k for 5 current cycle 1-6 60mg anavar ED 1-10 500mg tren E 1-15 1000mg EQ 1-16 800mg test e im currently on week 13 been running 500iu hcg on mondays and thursdays. during PCT im going to run DNP @200mg for up to 30 days running 5on 2off maybe bump to 300mg depending on how i react to it. I want to start a cutting diet to bring my body fat down to sub 10% i should imagine i could loose a good 50lb to get me to this stage and have a good 5 months to achieve this goal. Any info and help on achieving this would be greatly apprishiated

18-02-2007, 09:59 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,082	Re: Timed Carbs I would hold off cutting for a while mate, your test levels will be low after a fairly heavy cycle and jumpin straigh into a cut could compromise some of the muscle you've gained. I'm studying up on timed carb diets too with a view to doing one very soon, as I understand it, it involves around 4 low carb dieting days 2 medium carb days and one high or refeed day, zig-zagging your carb intake is a good way of foolong your metabolism into speeding up. Just remember on low carb days you need to replace the lack of calories from carbs with 'good' fats and keep your protein intake at arounf 1.5g per lb opf your bodyweight. You have some impressive lifts and stats mate, I'm sure with some hard work and dedication you would look awesome. Jock

18-02-2007, 11:06 PM	#18 (permalink)
TERESKAN Newbie Trainer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 22	Re: Timed Carbs Im gonna give it a few weeks before i start messing with my diet, hopefully the dnp will shift a lot of the fat whilst im running my pct. Most people have reposted losses of anything up to 20lb in a month and also i will hopefully find out more about the anabolic rebound effect that is talked about with dnp

18-02-2007, 11:56 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,082	Re: Timed Carbs DNP is very very dangerous stuff mate, be very careful using it, a guy from elitefitness died while on this stuff. Make sure you are fully read up on this med knowledge may well be your guardian. A good diet is the foundation of any successful cut IMO. Best of luck, Jock

19-02-2007, 07:35 PM	#20 (permalink)
TERESKAN Newbie Trainer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 22	Re: Timed Carbs I have a lot of info on the usage of dnp and intend of starting on a low dose of 200mg ed and following the usage protocol to the T. prob gonna take a week of work so my body can adjust to it.

19-02-2007, 09:32 PM	#21 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Re: Timed Carbs Some guys feel like death on DNP, others not so bad.

20-02-2007, 08:33 PM	#22 (permalink)
TERESKAN Newbie Trainer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 22	Re: Timed Carbs finally got weighed in: height 6' 185cm weight 287lb 130kg body fat: 23.5% LBM: 219.5 lb 100kg want to get down to 8% body fat so nead to hit 242lb.,

21-02-2007, 03:37 PM	#24 (permalink)
TERESKAN Newbie Trainer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 22	Re: Timed Carbs slowly getting their, would be good in the next year to add a extra 10lb-20lb lbm. looking forward to seeing what it looks like under the lard.

21-02-2007, 03:59 PM	#25 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Re: Timed Carbs But you are carying alot of muscle there.

21-02-2007, 08:30 PM	#26 (permalink)
TERESKAN Newbie Trainer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 22	Re: Timed Carbs im carying some but in my eyes it still doesn't feel like enough. im half dreading cutting down to 240 and feeling/looking small!

28-02-2007, 08:31 PM	#28 (permalink)
SportDr Getting HUGE! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: E-Sussex UK Posts: 2,863	Re: Timed Carbs So back on topic..... Been trying this Timed carb diet this week and so far so good! First impressions are that I like low carb food more than I thought I would and I am re-discovering the joy of cheese only occasionally as a treat of course. I am on day three now and have really noticed an odd taste in my mouth all day and I think I had ketone breath earlier as I could smell it whilst wearing my motorcycle helmet. Checked my urine and there was only trace ketones if any at all though :confused: ?? Another thing I have noticed is that I need to pee more and that my sh1t is less porridge and more grenade I am sticking to 4000 cals per day in 6 meals of around 666cals (bad omen) with no more than 8g of carbs, mainly from green veg, and at least 40% fat in each meal from EFA's. I rack up a huge amount of protein in each day 500+ grammes , so I hope I don't de-calcify my whole body, just in case I am taking a calcium supplement even if research shows it doesn't do jack. Question is, to actually lose body fat I need to reduce cals right? otherwise all I am burning is ingested fat? Surely I should be ketoned to the max by now also? I won't be re-feeding till the weekend so I have a couple more days to deplete any carbs. I would like to hear from anyone else who is trying this, Jock have you started it yet? Regards SD __________________ I don't like Sports and I am not a Doctor! All information given is to be followed at the users risk and is for informational purposes only. My protein code: ?? Dunno was deleted? BSD Code: ?? Dunno was deleted too??

28-02-2007, 09:22 PM	#29 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Re: Timed Carbs Well, day 3 might be a tad bit early to get into full ketosis. That and some times, to get into ketosis you need more fat. I think if you upped the fat and lowered the protein you will get into ketosis faster. I also hear MCT oil will toss you into ketosis almost immediatly as this is a prefered fat for fuel. Try dropping the protein some and making up the diffrence in MCT oil (coconut oil).