what do u guys think my diet - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

danielk · 28-10-2005, 11:53 PM

im 22 , 6ft , 75 kg . my daily protein is 160g to maintain muscle.
meal 1
oats
whey protein
banana

meal 2
chicken breast fillet with cauliflower, broc, and carrots with olive oil.

meal 3
5 slices of chicken breast , 1 slice of wholemeal bread with peanut butter

meal 4
same as meal 2 , apple

meal 5
tin of tuna , orange

meal 6
whey protein shake

i also take omega 3,6,9 - iron - cod liver - multi v's - amino tablets

i do 20 mins cardio in morning empty stomach and 25 mins after meal 4

tahir · 29-10-2005, 02:49 AM

do u also do weights bro or do u just do cardio

**Pscarb** · 29-10-2005, 11:54 AM

what are your goals...

danielk · 29-10-2005, 07:24 PM

just to get body fat down i do weights on a tue and thurs, night with no cardio , but i eat more carbs and pro on those days and around 2,500 kcals i find it also helps my metabolism ..

**Pscarb** · 30-10-2005, 08:59 AM

the diet is ok'ish but because you have not placed times i don't know when your PWO meal is or your last meal as having a whey drink as your last meal is not the best way to go as you really need to get some longer lasting amino's into your body to last you through the night.
a casien based drink is good but to be honest i would lean towards steak or salmon.

i would also increase your training frequency as muscle burns more fat when resting so the more muscle you have the leaner you will get.

you are probably finding that you are losing weight but not toning up one reason for this is because you are doing too much cardio and not enough weights plus i would up your protein to approx 250g this also will help.

30-10-2005, 10:41 AM

if all your doing is maintaining muscle with your current diet
you wont get any bigger even though some of the advice is great
i think you have to eat like a horse to fill out, train about 3 times a week to failure in the initial stages, forget the scientific approach
go at it hell for leather & watch yourself GROW!

**Pscarb** · 30-10-2005, 10:58 AM

that may be Metabol but he wants to lose BF not add BF if he eats "Hell for leather" then he will add both water and fat.

30-10-2005, 11:03 AM

true you will add water, but you can only add fat if you eat fat
i rest my case

**Pscarb** · 30-10-2005, 11:44 AM

i am sorry you have rested your case because your above statement is soooo wrong.
you say that you only add fat when you eat fat so what about excess cals from both carbs and protein? do these turn into fresh air??

what about fats from salmon/mackeral/udo's oils most of the fats in these and many other foods have been proven to help burn fat.

Reproduced by kind permission of www.weightlossforgood.co.uk

Burning fat is all about using up more calories than you take in.
If you eat more calories than your body uses throughout the day, these additional calories will be stored as body fat.
To prevent a build up of body fat you need to either reduce your calorie intake or increase your daily activity levels - doing both will have the best effect on reducing body fat.
The more fat you want to lose then the greater the amount of calories you have to burn off. This means exercise!. Regular workouts, tied with a healthy balanced diet is the best way to work off that fat, and get a new slim shape.
Once you have trained your body to be an efficient fat-burner, you can have your cake and eat it, too. To be an efficient fat burner you need to increase your muscle density. The muscles are where all the calories are burned during exercise - the more efficient the muscles at burning fat - the quicker weight loss will be achieved.
And believe it or not, you actually have to eat more to be a good fat burner. If you deprive yourself of food or fat, your body will go into survival mode and slow itself down to prepare for a possible famine. Basal Metabolic Rate will decrease, and your body will not want to burn off any excess calories in a hurry just in case you're not going to feed yourself for a while. Then, over time, your metabolism will slow down dramatically, making it harder and harder to burn fat, lose weight and keep it off.

i think the above says it all and all it took was to do a search on google....

i suggest you do some more research in to diets before you make another sweeping statement like:
but you can only add fat if you eat fat

the picture in my avator was taken at my last show the NABBA finals my diet for this comp was high protein low carbs and moderate fats the fat never went below 100g per day so by your comment i should of been putting on fat not losing it and accomplishing a >5% BF%

I rest my case

30-10-2005, 01:40 PM

i was referring to saturated fat which you realised
but as you said there is fat in salmon etc
i realise your physique speaks for itself& after reading your statement
i have to concede, times have changed i have not been to a show
for 9 years but i still believe you have to eat lots of food to get
to another stage of progress i think this is what jamie emanuel told me
i wish you well

**Pscarb** · 30-10-2005, 02:47 PM

i am sure Jamie did say this and thank you for the name dropping i am now suitably impressed with who you know...

if you was referring to Saturated fat you should of said that.

yes i agree that to gain weight/muscle you need to eat and eat big at that but if you read what daneilk is after you will realise he wants to get leaner not get bigger so eating hell for leather is not the correct approach.

eating a diet high in protein low in carbs and moderate in fats will help him reach this goal do you not agree??

30-10-2005, 04:36 PM

yes i agree 100% high protein low carbs, & as you have pointed out
he wants to get leaner not bigger i should have read his statement between the lines, what you have said is constructive & you came across very well
i keep saturated fat out of my 5 meals a day but my source of protein
& carbs may not support the likes of yourself it would be intresting to see
what you thought of my diet i will post it shortly
cheers!

**Pscarb** · 30-10-2005, 05:22 PM

nice one i am keen to have a look.

31-10-2005, 11:01 PM

breakfast 7 whole eggs 7 slices wholemeal no spread
mid morning large bowl of rice krispies 1pt skimmed milk
dinner dish salad piece melon 1 apple
mid afternoon 3 bananas
tea large bowl of potatoes +6 whole eggs
supper dish of porridge 1pt skim milk
i weigh around 20st i realise this doesnt always mean so much

cheers

**Pscarb** · 01-11-2005, 09:05 AM

i don't see how you can mainain 20st on this diet...?

i can only see mayb 90g of protein in the diet
and not that many carbs or fat although this is an approx count but i cannot see much more than 1500cals so how does a guy ho is 20st hold his weight or even muscle mass on this diet please tell...?

28-10-2005, 11:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
danielk Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: somerset Posts: 23	what do u guys think my diet im 22 , 6ft , 75 kg . my daily protein is 160g to maintain muscle. meal 1 oats whey protein banana meal 2 chicken breast fillet with cauliflower, broc, and carrots with olive oil. meal 3 5 slices of chicken breast , 1 slice of wholemeal bread with peanut butter meal 4 same as meal 2 , apple meal 5 tin of tuna , orange meal 6 whey protein shake i also take omega 3,6,9 - iron - cod liver - multi v's - amino tablets i do 20 mins cardio in morning empty stomach and 25 mins after meal 4

29-10-2005, 02:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
tahir Looking Freaky Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: south west LDN!! Posts: 722	do u also do weights bro or do u just do cardio

29-10-2005, 11:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,963	what are your goals...

29-10-2005, 07:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
danielk Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: somerset Posts: 23	just to get body fat down i do weights on a tue and thurs, night with no cardio , but i eat more carbs and pro on those days and around 2,500 kcals i find it also helps my metabolism ..

30-10-2005, 08:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,963	the diet is ok'ish but because you have not placed times i don't know when your PWO meal is or your last meal as having a whey drink as your last meal is not the best way to go as you really need to get some longer lasting amino's into your body to last you through the night. a casien based drink is good but to be honest i would lean towards steak or salmon. i would also increase your training frequency as muscle burns more fat when resting so the more muscle you have the leaner you will get. you are probably finding that you are losing weight but not toning up one reason for this is because you are doing too much cardio and not enough weights plus i would up your protein to approx 250g this also will help.

30-10-2005, 10:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
metabol Guest Posts: n/a	if all your doing is maintaining muscle with your current diet you wont get any bigger even though some of the advice is great i think you have to eat like a horse to fill out, train about 3 times a week to failure in the initial stages, forget the scientific approach go at it hell for leather & watch yourself GROW!

30-10-2005, 10:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,963	that may be Metabol but he wants to lose BF not add BF if he eats "Hell for leather" then he will add both water and fat.

30-10-2005, 11:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
metabol Guest Posts: n/a	true you will add water, but you can only add fat if you eat fat i rest my case

30-10-2005, 11:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,963	i am sorry you have rested your case because your above statement is soooo wrong. you say that you only add fat when you eat fat so what about excess cals from both carbs and protein? do these turn into fresh air?? what about fats from salmon/mackeral/udo's oils most of the fats in these and many other foods have been proven to help burn fat. Reproduced by kind permission of www.weightlossforgood.co.uk Burning fat is all about using up more calories than you take in. If you eat more calories than your body uses throughout the day, these additional calories will be stored as body fat. To prevent a build up of body fat you need to either reduce your calorie intake or increase your daily activity levels - doing both will have the best effect on reducing body fat. The more fat you want to lose then the greater the amount of calories you have to burn off. This means exercise!. Regular workouts, tied with a healthy balanced diet is the best way to work off that fat, and get a new slim shape. Once you have trained your body to be an efficient fat-burner, you can have your cake and eat it, too. To be an efficient fat burner you need to increase your muscle density. The muscles are where all the calories are burned during exercise - the more efficient the muscles at burning fat - the quicker weight loss will be achieved. And believe it or not, you actually have to eat more to be a good fat burner. If you deprive yourself of food or fat, your body will go into survival mode and slow itself down to prepare for a possible famine. Basal Metabolic Rate will decrease, and your body will not want to burn off any excess calories in a hurry just in case you're not going to feed yourself for a while. Then, over time, your metabolism will slow down dramatically, making it harder and harder to burn fat, lose weight and keep it off. i think the above says it all and all it took was to do a search on google.... i suggest you do some more research in to diets before you make another sweeping statement like: but you can only add fat if you eat fat the picture in my avator was taken at my last show the NABBA finals my diet for this comp was high protein low carbs and moderate fats the fat never went below 100g per day so by your comment i should of been putting on fat not losing it and accomplishing a >5% BF% I rest my case

30-10-2005, 01:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
metabol Guest Posts: n/a	i was referring to saturated fat which you realised but as you said there is fat in salmon etc i realise your physique speaks for itself& after reading your statement i have to concede, times have changed i have not been to a show for 9 years but i still believe you have to eat lots of food to get to another stage of progress i think this is what jamie emanuel told me i wish you well

30-10-2005, 02:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,963	i am sure Jamie did say this and thank you for the name dropping i am now suitably impressed with who you know... if you was referring to Saturated fat you should of said that. yes i agree that to gain weight/muscle you need to eat and eat big at that but if you read what daneilk is after you will realise he wants to get leaner not get bigger so eating hell for leather is not the correct approach. eating a diet high in protein low in carbs and moderate in fats will help him reach this goal do you not agree??

30-10-2005, 04:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
metabol Guest Posts: n/a	yes i agree 100% high protein low carbs, & as you have pointed out he wants to get leaner not bigger i should have read his statement between the lines, what you have said is constructive & you came across very well i keep saturated fat out of my 5 meals a day but my source of protein & carbs may not support the likes of yourself it would be intresting to see what you thought of my diet i will post it shortly cheers!

30-10-2005, 05:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,963	nice one i am keen to have a look.

31-10-2005, 11:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
metabol Guest Posts: n/a	breakfast 7 whole eggs 7 slices wholemeal no spread mid morning large bowl of rice krispies 1pt skimmed milk dinner dish salad piece melon 1 apple mid afternoon 3 bananas tea large bowl of potatoes +6 whole eggs supper dish of porridge 1pt skim milk i weigh around 20st i realise this doesnt always mean so much cheers

01-11-2005, 09:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,963	i don't see how you can mainain 20st on this diet...? i can only see mayb 90g of protein in the diet and not that many carbs or fat although this is an approx count but i cannot see much more than 1500cals so how does a guy ho is 20st hold his weight or even muscle mass on this diet please tell...?