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PK GRAPPLER · 15-08-2005, 04:40 PM

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I've been told to post some thing about my self for some better advice I'm 16 6ft 246 lbs(17stones4lbs) last time I checked basicly over weight want to lose fat fast I've been told you can aquire great physique's back from the 70s with out taking drugs. Is this true. I figure it will only take 12 weeks to change remarkbly.I want to compete at amatuer leval next year or the year after

Jock · 15-08-2005, 04:47 PM

Yes you can change your body dramatically in 12 weeks but it takes a lot of commitment.

A few questions:

1) What is your daily diet?
2) What is your current training routine?

PK GRAPPLER · 15-08-2005, 04:48 PM

nothing but I'm getting started on this program called the abs diet

Carnivore · 15-08-2005, 04:50 PM

how long have u been lifting?
do u know your bodyfat percentage?
drugs should not be used at 16 anyway

Jock · 15-08-2005, 04:56 PM

Mate you seem very impatient to get help, if you can't be bothered to give some info about yourself then you won't find any willing to help. Do yourself a favour look at some of the other posts in this forum, people have introduced themselves given information about their lifestyle, their training their diet, their job etc etc.

All you have said is that your are overweight and you want to compete as a bodybuilder, that doesn't give anyone much to go on does it?

PK GRAPPLER · 15-08-2005, 04:58 PM

what do you want me to tell you about

Timmy Smooth · 15-08-2005, 04:59 PM

Tell me about yourself, what you like, what you don't like. What are you after in your ideal partner...?

Jock · 15-08-2005, 05:04 PM

What is your job/occupation? why do you want to get into shape? what do you already know about bodybuilding? do you eat well? do you do cardio? Have you used supplements? Where do you train? What is your favourite colour?

Come on son use your imagination.

If you can't be @rsed to take the time to give us just a few small details about yourself then I severly doubt you will have the patience to compete. Sorry to sound harsh mate but from the look of your posts you don't really sound serious....

PK GRAPPLER · 15-08-2005, 05:13 PM

Well I am a student just left school going to college. I want to get in shape for my self and prove people wrong about me getting in shape because they say I'll never do it. I know to get lean it's not about the amount of cardio you do it's the intensity. Now I don't eat well but when I get a job I'm going to buy all the food I need. The only supplements I am going to use when I'm going to train are lean system 7 and nutro sports protien powder. I am going to train at mike's gym it's not a fancy gym it's a dungeon. The kind of gym the 70's bodybuilders trained in. Ha and my favorite colour is green. My diet when I start to train is going to consist of 12 power foods which are as follows:
The Power 12 Foods
1) Almonds and Other Nuts eaten with skins intact.
2) Beans and Other Legumes
3) Spinach and Other Green Vegetables
4) Dairy: Fat-free or low-fat milk, yogurt, cheese, cottage cheese
5) Instant Oatmeal: Unsweetened, unflavored
6) Eggs
7) Turkey and other lean meats. Lean steak, chicken, fish
8) Peanut Butter - All-natural, sugar-free.
9) Olive Oil
10) Whole-Grain Breads and Cereals
11) Extra-Protein (Whey) Powder
12) Raspberries and Other Berries

**hackskii** · 15-08-2005, 05:38 PM

Well, diets are very personal and every body is different.

But if you control insulin you will have it half licked.

First off welcome to the board and for 16 you seem quite smart.

Ok onto the diet.

There are many diets to choose from but for the most part lets just cover 2 of them.

First a ketogenic diet like Atkins works very well for most. 12 weeks and you will be down big time in fat loss.
Start out by eating only 20 grams of carbs a day or less. You can have as much protein and fats as you want like eggs, meat, chicken, etc for protein sources. Whole cream protein shakes are ok too and nuts that are high in fat like macadamia and cashews are ok. You can eat as much protein and fat as you want.
Quite simple huh?

Next diet is the zone.
You will need to figure you how much protein you need and then base all your macronutrients around the protein.
Total calories will look something like this.
40/30/30 this is the total calories in carbohydrates/protein/fats
1 gram of carbohydrates = 4 calories
1 gram of protein = 4 calories
1 gram of fat = 9 calories.

The zone is a bit technical but you can find some read me’s on this forum and also on the net. This is probably the most healthy diet but then again the Atkins diet works very well and you will lose a lot of water quickly at first.

You will hit a plateau around week 4 or 5 but then you can add cardio to this mix and start losing again.
About 4 weeks later you will hit another plateau and you can add the fat burners then.

Rough draft for start.

Again, welcome to the board.

maxxxx · 25-08-2005, 11:40 PM

there are many roads to success, theres no one thats the best. well if im taking a trip to america i wont travel by bus ill go by plane first class its quicker and far less bumpy.all advice is not equaly valid this much i know.if i want health advice ill talk to a doctor not the old guy standing on the street corner.

verve · 26-08-2005, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by maxxxx

there are many roads to success, theres no one thats the best. well if im taking a trip to america i wont travel by bus ill go by plane first class its quicker and far less bumpy.all advice is not equaly valid this much i know.if i want health advice ill talk to a doctor not the old guy standing on the street corner.

Lol mate I think you're confusing bodybuilding with philosophy. No offence but your posts seem a bit strange.

maxxxx · 26-08-2005, 03:47 PM

no offence but i cant say any of your posts have been memorable

verve · 26-08-2005, 04:00 PM

That's because you don't have access to the male animal.

**hackskii** · 26-08-2005, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxxxx

there are many roads to success, theres no one thats the best. well if im taking a trip to america i wont travel by bus ill go by plane first class its quicker and far less bumpy.all advice is not equaly valid this much i know.if i want health advice ill talk to a doctor not the old guy standing on the street corner.

Hey dude, what is up with the pot shot?

I dont trust Many Doctors myself.
Heck, even doctors dont trust each other.
I can point you in a good direction tward a Dr that goes against the grain with other doctors if you want.

Your health is your obligation, not your Doctors.
It is YOUR job to do what is right in regards to health.

Most Doctors treat symptoms and not cause.

Case in point cholesterol.
Many Doctors perscribe cholesterol lowering drugs that lower cholesterol and the very drug that they are giving out are doing more harm to people than it is helping.
Liver damage, heart damage, muscle weakness, dementia, the brain needs cholesterol and blocking it can make some people mighty weird on that stuff.

My point is you can learn from everybody.
Keep and open mind.
If you dont agree then just say so.
If you feel diffrently then say why.

But if you are just gonna toss some cheap shots out there just to pick on me or anybody then I will just edit your posts.
Name calling wont be allowed either.

I dont care if you agree with me but if you dont then articulate your opinion for all to learn and If I am wrong then by all means correct me.

15-08-2005, 04:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
PK GRAPPLER Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: england Posts: 207	Starting out Stats -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been told to post some thing about my self for some better advice I'm 16 6ft 246 lbs(17stones4lbs) last time I checked basicly over weight want to lose fat fast I've been told you can aquire great physique's back from the 70s with out taking drugs. Is this true. I figure it will only take 12 weeks to change remarkbly.I want to compete at amatuer leval next year or the year after

15-08-2005, 04:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,029	Yes you can change your body dramatically in 12 weeks but it takes a lot of commitment. A few questions: 1) What is your daily diet? 2) What is your current training routine? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

15-08-2005, 04:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Carnivore Somewhere between depressed and suicidal Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: location, location Posts: 1,077	how long have u been lifting? do u know your bodyfat percentage? drugs should not be used at 16 anyway __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

15-08-2005, 04:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,029	Mate you seem very impatient to get help, if you can't be bothered to give some info about yourself then you won't find any willing to help. Do yourself a favour look at some of the other posts in this forum, people have introduced themselves given information about their lifestyle, their training their diet, their job etc etc. All you have said is that your are overweight and you want to compete as a bodybuilder, that doesn't give anyone much to go on does it? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

15-08-2005, 05:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,029	What is your job/occupation? why do you want to get into shape? what do you already know about bodybuilding? do you eat well? do you do cardio? Have you used supplements? Where do you train? What is your favourite colour? Come on son use your imagination. If you can't be @rsed to take the time to give us just a few small details about yourself then I severly doubt you will have the patience to compete. Sorry to sound harsh mate but from the look of your posts you don't really sound serious.... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

15-08-2005, 04:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
PK GRAPPLER Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: england Posts: 207	nothing but I'm getting started on this program called the abs diet

15-08-2005, 04:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
PK GRAPPLER Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: england Posts: 207	what do you want me to tell you about

15-08-2005, 04:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Timmy Smooth Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Camden, London, via Cardiff. Posts: 2,794	Tell me about yourself, what you like, what you don't like. What are you after in your ideal partner...?

15-08-2005, 05:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
PK GRAPPLER Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: england Posts: 207	about me Well I am a student just left school going to college. I want to get in shape for my self and prove people wrong about me getting in shape because they say I'll never do it. I know to get lean it's not about the amount of cardio you do it's the intensity. Now I don't eat well but when I get a job I'm going to buy all the food I need. The only supplements I am going to use when I'm going to train are lean system 7 and nutro sports protien powder. I am going to train at mike's gym it's not a fancy gym it's a dungeon. The kind of gym the 70's bodybuilders trained in. Ha and my favorite colour is green. My diet when I start to train is going to consist of 12 power foods which are as follows: The Power 12 Foods 1) Almonds and Other Nuts eaten with skins intact. 2) Beans and Other Legumes 3) Spinach and Other Green Vegetables 4) Dairy: Fat-free or low-fat milk, yogurt, cheese, cottage cheese 5) Instant Oatmeal: Unsweetened, unflavored 6) Eggs 7) Turkey and other lean meats. Lean steak, chicken, fish 8) Peanut Butter - All-natural, sugar-free. 9) Olive Oil 10) Whole-Grain Breads and Cereals 11) Extra-Protein (Whey) Powder 12) Raspberries and Other Berries Last edited by PK GRAPPLER; 15-08-2005 at 05:18 PM.

15-08-2005, 05:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,956	Well, diets are very personal and every body is different. But if you control insulin you will have it half licked. First off welcome to the board and for 16 you seem quite smart. Ok onto the diet. There are many diets to choose from but for the most part lets just cover 2 of them. First a ketogenic diet like Atkins works very well for most. 12 weeks and you will be down big time in fat loss. Start out by eating only 20 grams of carbs a day or less. You can have as much protein and fats as you want like eggs, meat, chicken, etc for protein sources. Whole cream protein shakes are ok too and nuts that are high in fat like macadamia and cashews are ok. You can eat as much protein and fat as you want. Quite simple huh? Next diet is the zone. You will need to figure you how much protein you need and then base all your macronutrients around the protein. Total calories will look something like this. 40/30/30 this is the total calories in carbohydrates/protein/fats 1 gram of carbohydrates = 4 calories 1 gram of protein = 4 calories 1 gram of fat = 9 calories. The zone is a bit technical but you can find some read me’s on this forum and also on the net. This is probably the most healthy diet but then again the Atkins diet works very well and you will lose a lot of water quickly at first. You will hit a plateau around week 4 or 5 but then you can add cardio to this mix and start losing again. About 4 weeks later you will hit another plateau and you can add the fat burners then. Rough draft for start. Again, welcome to the board. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

25-08-2005, 11:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
maxxxx Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22	there are many roads to success, theres no one thats the best. well if im taking a trip to america i wont travel by bus ill go by plane first class its quicker and far less bumpy.all advice is not equaly valid this much i know.if i want health advice ill talk to a doctor not the old guy standing on the street corner.

26-08-2005, 03:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
maxxxx Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22	no offence but i cant say any of your posts have been memorable

26-08-2005, 04:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
verve 666 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At work, probably. Posts: 674	That's because you don't have access to the male animal. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.